Affinity V2.0

[Andreas Scherer]

45 minutes ago, Patrick Connor said:

Those who want to throw more money at us

What about the purchase code we received for the recent survey? How long will it be valid? No merch (T's, workbooks) to buy at this time! 😉

[Patrick Connor]

7 minutes ago, Andreas Scherer said:

How long will it be valid?

In the T&C I think it said a few weeks. I am not sure it is still valid ????  @Adam help!

[Frozen Death Knight]

20 hours ago, CC Hogan said:

Interesting discussion this, especially about whether their business model is sustainable.

It appears to be perfectly sustainable to me without any need to even consider subscription or charging for updates between major versions. The market out there for this price level of product is vast, (potentially bigger than for Adobe simply because it is lower cost).

I doubt they are running out of potential customers, or anywhere close. And each time they add more features or make the apps more powerful, that opens up another raft of potential customers.

Just look at how often new forum members appear, and remember, like with other apps, the large majority of users will never register for the forum.

Going by Serif's last submitted accounts, they are a very healthy, bouncy little company! 

And so they should be.  They have a good, solid history behind them.

I and my piggy bank are definitely looking forward to V2 without complaint.

Yep. Also, I might not have been around Serif for long since I bought Photo back in 2017, but for a company that has been around since the 80s they must be doing something right. I had no clue who they were before Affinity, so their new business plan seems to be working just fine. Just for some anecdotal experiences, as an avid YouTube watcher I have noticed that Affinity has gotten a fair share of attention to the point where more and more channels are discussing and producing Affinity content, which to me is a sign of a healthy community.

I don't think we have much to worry about. The future is looking bright.

[CM0]

7 minutes ago, Frozen Death Knight said:

Yep. Also, I might not have been around Serif for long since I bought Photo back in 2017, but for a company that has been around since the 80s they must be doing something right. I had no clue who they were before Affinity, so their new business plan seems to be working just fine. Just for some anecdotal experiences, as an avid YouTube watcher I have noticed that Affinity has gotten a fair share of attention to the point where more and more channels are discussing and producing Affinity content, which to me is a sign of a healthy community.

I don't think we have much to worry about. The future is looking bright.

None of that is reasoning for how healthy a company is at present time.  Lot's of successful companies fail at some point.  Also, nobody is actually predicting complete collapse.  We don't have to see the internal books to know that a free product is not sustainable business model forever.  Note, that sustainable doesn't have to imply the company no longer exists, but it can no longer maintain the momentum it once had.  When affinity introduced itself it jumped into the market with some exciting innovations.  What everyone wants is to see that same level of momentum to return.  

[debraspicher]

22 hours ago, Patrick Connor said:

Quite right.

To others here....worry not, Serif are OK, thank you all for your concern. Those who want to throw more money at us (for V2) will have to wait a little longer, but new Version 1 customers are always finding us.

It sounds like there is a plan. Take care.

[Frozen Death Knight]

20 minutes ago, CM0 said:

None of that is reasoning for how healthy a company is at present time.  Lot's of successful companies fail at some point.  Also, nobody is actually predicting complete collapse.  We don't have to see the internal books to know that a free product is not sustainable business model forever.  Note, that sustainable doesn't have to imply the company no longer exists, but it can no longer maintain the momentum it once had.  When affinity introduced itself it jumped into the market with some exciting innovations.  What everyone wants is to see that same level of momentum to return.  

Having a company that lasts decades suggests stability to endure both good and bad times. Serif themselves have also said that they are doing fine and I have little reason to distrust them on that.

Affinity is not free though? It's easy to be an armchair economist while not making any of the business decisions nor have an overview of their books. Neither of us have any idea how well they are actually doing, but to say that they are making a free product is just plain false.

[Old Bruce]

Granted these are just Canadian Dollars but their store lists just under a thousand dollars worth of "add-ons". So much for a company having no source of revenue.

[CM0]

53 minutes ago, Frozen Death Knight said:

Having a company that lasts decades suggests stability to endure both good and bad times. Serif themselves have also said that they are doing fine and I have little reason to distrust them on that.

Affinity is not free though? It's easy to be an armchair economist while not making any of the business decisions nor have an overview of their books. Neither of us have any idea how well they are actually doing, but to say that they are making a free product is just plain false.

I've been around a while and worked in the industry on products that were around for decades and then disappeared.  It happens.  And again, that is not even a prediction I'm making.

Yes, a product you pay a very small fee once in almost decade when compared to other industry products that charge almost the same per month is essentially free in relative comparison.  Certainly Affinity has been far more efficient with their resources to deliver such great products, but there are limitations.  Nonetheless, it is mostly irrelevant because essentially most of the community is saying they are willing to pay something more than the current nothing to regain some more momentum in development.

[913]

What will be prices for version v2 ,0R,  is Affinity going Adobe system of monthly subscription , 

[Patrick Connor]

No, version 2 of the Affinity suite will be a one off purchase (perpetual license) and will not be sold as a subscription service (monthly or otherwise)

[Jens Krebs]

@Patrick Connor Bit off topic, just wanted to say that I like your new avatar. 🐵

[joe_l]

39 minutes ago, Jens Krebs said:

Bit off topic, just wanted to say that I like your new avatar. 🐵

The main requirement to be on the payroll at Serif is, to have a cat or at least a dog, who likes cats. 😂

[Mithferion]

7 hours ago, joe_l said:

The main requirement to be on the payroll at Serif is, to have a cat or at least a dog, who likes cats. 😂

I see I might not be a good fit, since I'm an otter kind of person.

Best regards!

[Patrick Connor]

22 hours ago, Andreas Scherer said:

What about the purchase code we received for the recent survey? How long will it be valid? No merch (T's, workbooks) to buy at this time! 😉

The T&C in the email apparently said the end of August, sorry

[MmmMaarten]

On 9/21/2022 at 4:07 AM, 913 said:

I don't think  ، shape builder is much necessary , but one thing which I think is necessary is making export industry standards. 

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When affinity make this possible for designer  , then every graphic designer will move forward toward affinity softwares ,

I am not talking g about the svg , pdf , ai files , I am talking about the EPS file. , Which is nowadays Industry standard software all our the world . Every one demanding EPS .Every stock website demanding EPS ,. So 

I think , making EPS industry stands should be first and main goal of affinity team ,. 

Funny how you only seem to think about your own industry, which looks like it's print, and act like you're talking for every designer out there in the world.

Affinity isn't only used for print. It's also heavily used for example in the video-, animation- and game industries. By many motion graphic designers, webdesigners, game graphic designers, UI/UX/interaction designers, animation artists, illustrators etc. etc.

EPS might be a standard used a lot for print, but it's definitely not the only standard all over the world when it comes to software for these jobs for example and far from needed. I'm using a lot of tools for both video, internetwork, games and animations and never needed to use any EPS as output from Affinity. In many cases in my case for instance SVG became a real standard to import files in many software programs for vector work for instance. Not EPS. Just to give an example.

Not saying at all that EPS isn't important, I understand it is for certain industries, but try to keep your mind open to the rest of the professional world of graphics professionals out there and please try not to speak for others. It's always pretty difficult to speak 'for all' as that's a pretty huge group. Your industry is not the only industry.

[913]

11 hours ago, MmmMaarten said:

Funny how you only seem to think about your own industry, which looks like it's print, and act like you're talking for every designer out there in the world.

Affinity isn't only used for print. It's also heavily used for example in the video-, animation- and game industries. By many motion graphic designers, webdesigners, game graphic designers, UI/UX/interaction designers, animation artists, illustrators etc. etc.

EPS might be a standard used a lot for print, but it's definitely not the only standard all over the world when it comes to software for these jobs for example and far from needed. I'm using a lot of tools for both video, internetwork, games and animations and never needed to use any EPS as output from Affinity. In many cases in my case for instance SVG became a real standard to import files in many software programs for vector work for instance. Not EPS. Just to give an example.

Not saying at all that EPS isn't important, I understand it is for certain industries, but try to keep your mind open to the rest of the professional world of graphics professionals out there and please try not to speak for others. It's always pretty difficult to speak 'for all' as that's a pretty huge group. Your industry is not the only industry.

This is forum where we can post everything which we want in Designer V2 , I posted what I like to have in Future version and I posted , and you can post what you like to have in V2 , 

 

I don't know for what purposes you use designer , you know ?  , post it here

[lenogre]

- vectorizing pictures

- vector patterns (actually pixel patterns)

- duplicate along path

I would like to see this function in a "container"

Object Duplicate > numbers of copies or length between each copy / start / end 

      - path

      - object

- gradient between curves

- deformers

- noise for gradient (actually only one limited noise)

- spiral tool

- perspective grids with vanishing point

- measurement tool

- more fields when you do a dotted line (only 4 when sometimes you need 6). I have to use the Appearance panel.

- 3D tool (extrusion)

but the most important :

- new cat objects

[joe_l]

33 minutes ago, lenogre said:

but the most important :

- new cat objects

Definitely. The main reason for me buying the applications. 😂

[Twolane]

The main reason I bought the app was to come here and listen - or, I guess, read - all the harping. Personally, since V2 seems to be on it's way, I want to hijack the thread and turn it into the V3 thread. Will V3 be forthcoming? What advancements can we expect, and when will V3 be released? Imminently? Beginning of the year? Right after V2? Concurrently? Why cant company people answer these questions? Every other software companies does. Will V3 run on Linux? Will V3 have everything I want, or will I have t suffer through the demands of what others want for V3? Why is it taking so long?

😇

Edited to add apologies for the grammar and spelling and ptypos, but it was early in my part of the world, I hadn't had my coffee, and furthermore, I just plain don't feel like doing proper edits.

[Intuos5]

Complaints about selling house and family members, because V3 is too expensive.

[dsnaps12]

4 hours ago, Twolane said:

The main reason I bought the app was to come here and listen - or, I guess, read - all the harping. Personally, since V2 seems to be on it's way, I want to hijack the thread and turn it into the V3 thread. Will V3 be forthcoming? What advancements can we expect, and when will V3 be released? Imminently? Beginning of the year? Right after V2? Concurrently? Why cant company people answer these questions? Every other software companies does. Will V3 run on Linux? Will V3 have everything I want, or will I have t suffer through the demands of what others want for V3? Why is it taking so long?

😇

Edited to add apologies for the grammar and spelling and ptypos, but it was early in my part of the world, I hadn't had my coffee, and furthermore, I just plain don't feel like doing proper edits.

LOL Whats funny is the company that owns Clip Studio Paint did this. After 10 years they announced V2.0 and 3.0..LOL It was and still is kind of confusing.

[debraspicher]

1 hour ago, dsnaps12 said:

LOL Whats funny is the company that owns Clip Studio Paint did this. After 10 years they announced V2.0 and 3.0..LOL It was and still is kind of confusing.

Yep LOL. Their English Twitter acct is still being hounded on every post. CSP Jpn still has replies locked out some time after the announcement. Granted, it's Twitter. Modern day witch trials, accused of consorting with the Capitalistic Devil.

[Luis Simon]

I would currently prefer a software similar to canva.com perhaps called "affinity network?" that allows simple video editing all focused on social networks and social media. that allows you to work in groups when I say similar to canvas that has through addons qr code generator can add gif content planner, which is linked to the drive or the cloud that has free audio bank etc ... we all know that sooner or later adobe buy canvas would be good that already serif is positioned in the market before that happens.

i usually use the canva+affinity combo every day i usually use canva to animate flayers for my clients also when i want to remove the backgrounds to a video or an image quickly or to download something from their paid image bank. if affinity would charge a subcription for all that i could afford it, canva for example for 85$ a year i can share the account with 5 other people... in the end we end up paying 17$ each for a whole year which would translate to 1,5$ a month for all the benefits it gives us...

i.e. a multiplatform app that allows me to use all my creative apps in a single one, that would be a real linkstudio.

 

 

[Bonteburg]

Hmm, I appreciate the vision going on here but personally, I'd rather see Publisher become better and better than the suite becoming more diversified (or even just improved).

The thing to note here would be that my personal workflow hinges on the Publisher part more than anything else, so bias alert!

What's objectively true is that in the motion graphics field, some really good alternatives to Adobe that are not subsriptions (or even free) already exist (contrary to print software).

But yes – it's certainly exciting to to brainstorm about what might still be in store.

Ultimately I guess it comes down to Serif deciding what will and what won't happen. 

[Rondem]

Affinity products are great. The best thing for me is the workflow you can have and that the adobe products lack badly for me. 

Affinity is young and things will come in time.

The tools that are not present in designer I can find them in other software that is free. Incscape for image trace and edit shape. And copy paste is all you need betwean the programmes. For creating patterns you can use the Cavlary app for animations that is more or less free. 

The tools are usualy only that powerfull as the person that uses it. If you need a hammer and dont have one, use a wrench insted. How many cars would a mechanic fix if he complained over every russted bolt and wait for the car industrie to start makeing them in stainless so that the problem would be solved.