Rick G Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, carl123 said: But if they up the price from £50 to £100 they only have to sell 1/2 the amount of copies, to users, to make the same profit and you still have the potential for some of the other 1/2 of the users to buy the product in the future if their economic circumstances change. (Or reel some of them in on a Black Friday mega sale) And at $200 then only 1/4 the copies? That math doesn't work in the real world as with each price jump you lose part of your market. Also there are benefits to having a large user base which itself will generate interest and demand. Too many companies have gone the greed route and as they start failing, they cannot figure out where they wentwrong tomekf248 1 Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rick G said: Also there are benefits to having a large user base And disadvantages.... A larger user base also needs more resources (support staff) to support it hence more costs cutting into your profits To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perlsowisdom Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Random question, but is Affinity Publisher going to be the official name? It seems to me that there are quite a few programs named "publisher" and Affinity Designer is sometimes abbreviated AD, while Affinity Photo is AP, that could lead to confusion with Affinity Publisher as AP as well. We could always use something like APub, but branding with a more distinctive name like Affinity Layout or AL, would also be a workable solution. Just my two cents. Max Basok, maksimon and Petar Petrenko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, Rick G said: And at $200 then only 1/4 the copies? That math doesn't work in the real world as with each price jump you lose part of your market. Also there are benefits to having a large user base which itself will generate interest and demand. Too many companies have gone the greed route and as they start failing, they cannot figure out where they wentwrong Post Office marketing model... We aren't making enough money, so we need to charge more. Cable TV marketing model... The competition is beating us to death, so we need to charge more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrPx Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Trust me: In a suite for 2D (ie, PS, AI, ID, etc ) that you would grow a huge user base means everything. If the apps do not become relevant enough, the battle is lost... There were people, imo, not a large user base.... just some of us did know the potential, but it was not where everybody was heading to, very eager to purchase a really good 3D application (really well thought, better than many competitors), a bunch of years ago. I myself was ready to do the software investment of my life to have it at home, too. That (compared to competition) small base of premium customers could do nothing. It just had too few users. And so, you don't become a standard, and then you are done... And with that, I mean even just a second or third place. Farther than that, and your chances fall dramatically. But that 2nd or 3rd place alone is huge, and IMO, only able to get with the masses going for it. Also, you always get people already too used to a way of doing things (in PS, AI, etc). Affinity has to fight against the elements, too. Also to a set of features built slowly after decades, in the main two (perhaps three) big competitor brands. Any issue, any system problem, even if is just a poorly maintained PC system, a faulty driver, a bad system update, and the people blame the non top dog tool. I mean, Affinity has already a lot of wind against it, needs to offer solid advantages (as it is doing) to counter all that (which is mostly, perception issues). Arba and Alfred 1 1 AD, AP and APub. V1.10.6 (not using v1.x anymore) and V2.4.x. Windows 10 and Windows 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 59 minutes ago, carl123 said: And disadvantages.... A larger user base also needs more resources (support staff) to support it hence more costs cutting into your profits Think that one out a bit Carl. If you double your business your support expenses do not go up evenly with it. Especially if you are sorting and tracking the number of calls on each issue., you can have pat answers for certain common issues Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oO5Dynasty Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 So the beta is gonna launch this year? How will we be able to use the beta also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, oO5Dynasty said: So the beta is gonna launch this year? That’s what we’ve been told. Quote How will we be able to use the beta also? We’ll be given a download link, and once it’s installed we’ll be able to run it just like retail software. Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitro912gr Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 16 hours ago, SrPx said: IMO ~ 50 (even some bucks above) is both a magic number for pure psychology (impulse purchase much more likely to happen!), but also, the kind of price that at the same time makes the product reachable for professionals (who could actually pay more, or most of them) from the first world, but also from several other countries, not so privileged ones. And from hobbyists AND students from many countries. This is crucial for large diffusion, to really build a huge user base (key in this kind of applications), even more when you need to fight a lot of resistance as there are established tools that dominate the market. IMO, need to keep a no-brainer advantage. This. As a student I couldn't afford anything software wise, even the student price pack was just too much for me, so I had to find "other ways" to have the software I was learning in college. It could be a no brainer buy if I could get the software for 50€ and I could prefer it. Even now as a professional that I can afford the more expensive software, I am in a country that taxes are breaking me every day, so I will prefer the 50€ software that does the job more than just fine. Plus I can afford to buy more licenses and have it on every system I have, in the second PC at office, in my pc at home, in my laptop. Something that could be financially impossible to do with more expensive software. SrPx 1 Current Workstation: CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 - MOBO: Asus B450 - RAM: 16GB DDR4 2667Mhz - GPU: AMD Radeon 7850 1GB NVMe SSD: Crusial P3 1TB M.2 - SSD: Samsung Evo 850 256GB - PSU: XFX TS450 - OS: Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted June 22, 2018 Staff Share Posted June 22, 2018 Hi nitro912gr, You don't have to pay for new licenses to use the software in the computers you own/control as long as you are the only one using the software for commercial purposes. Here's a link to the End User License Agreement (EULA): The License granted to you is limited, non-transferable and non-exclusive. Except to the extent any rights cannot be excluded by law, you are permitted: 1. if you are a private individual, to download, install, use and run for personal use, one (1) copy of the Serif Software directly on each computer running Microsoft Windows (“Windows Computer”) that you personally own or control. Commercial use is permitted but only use by you and not by any other users of any Windows Computers that you own or control. For example, other members of your household that use your Windows Computers may make personal use of the Serif Software whereas, if anyone other than yourself needs to make commercial use of the Serif Software, the other user will need to make a separate purchase. SrPx and nitro912gr 2 A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieB59 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 12/14/2017 at 10:03 AM, TonyB said: Affinity Publisher sneak peek! Just to prove we're not making the whole thing up, check out this early build of our DTP app. Still lots of perfecting to do; expect the beta next summer. Enjoy. We will try and answer any questions here. Publisher for iPad coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 11 hours ago, BernieB59 said: Publisher for iPad coming? Why??? BernieB59 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Michail said: Why??? Why not?? BernieB59 and Max Basok 2 Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said: Why not?? Cinema for mice!!! BernieB59 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Michail said: Cinema for mice!!! LOL. Affinity Photo for iPad is perfectly usable, and the ‘shakycam’ teaser video that @MattP posted to Twitter last year suggests that Affinity Designer for iPad will be every bit as usable, so I don’t think you should prejudge Serif’s ability to ‘deliver the goods’. BernieB59 and Max Basok 2 Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said: LOL. Affinity Photo for iPad is perfectly usable, and the ‘shakycam’ teaser video that @MattP posted to Twitter last year suggests that Affinity Designer for iPad will be every bit as usable, so I don’t think you should prejudge Serif’s ability to ‘deliver the goods’. A layout application is another dimension. BernieB59 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithferion Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 But if you worked in your project on Desktop, the iPad version would be useful to do some adjustments on the go. Best regards! Max Basok, Alfred and BernieB59 3 AMD FX 8350 :: Radeon HD 5670 :: Windows 10 :: http://mithferion.deviantart.com/ Oxygen Icons :: GCP Icons :: iOS 11 Design Resources :: iOS App Icon Template :: Free Quality Fonts (Commercial Use) :: Public Domain Images How to do High Quality Art :: Mesh Warp / Distort Tool Considerations :: Select Same / Object - Suggestions :: Live Glassmorphism Effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerHerr Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I just hope we get the beta "soon"... Max Basok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tia Lapis Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Serif said "in summer" not "at the start of summer"... SrPx, Uncle Mez, Mithferion and 1 other 2 1 1 Mac mini M1 / Ryzen 5600H & RTX3050 mobile / iPad Pro 1st - all with latest non beta release of Affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 19 hours ago, Mithferion said: But if you worked in your project on Desktop, the iPad version would be useful to do some adjustments on the go. Best regards! Why do people always want to do everything on the go? Isn't it enough that they already eat and drink on the way? LassiP, Wosven, 000 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 42 minutes ago, Michail said: Why do people always want to do everything on the go? Isn't it enough that they already eat and drink on the way? I would still enjoy having Designer and Publisher on my iPad, because for me it would be nice to some small adjustments directly at the customers office or do sketches in the park or garden (using the iPad instead of pen and paper). SDLeary and Max Basok 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 6:43 PM, SrPx said: Linked images have their advantages, too... It makes the file smaller as it only "links" to the image. Embadded images eat up space real quick. Especially if you use a lot of them in your design. Means larger files. On the other hand, if you embed everything, you can't forget to send the images with the file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 11 hours ago, Tia Lapis said: Serif said "in summer" not "at the start of summer"... I would suspect begin fall, end of summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrPx Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tourmaline said: It makes the file smaller as it only "links" to the image. Embadded images eat up space real quick. Especially if you use a lot of them in your design. Means larger files. On the other hand, if you embed everything, you can't forget to send the images with the file. When creating stuff with common elements is really an efficient thing to have. In some apps and with some files, also can help faster loading. AD, AP and APub. V1.10.6 (not using v1.x anymore) and V2.4.x. Windows 10 and Windows 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, SrPx said: When creating stuff with common elements is really an efficient thing to have. In some apps and with some files, also can help faster loading. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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