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1 hour ago, αℓƒяє∂ said:

I’m surprised that you found it any more difficult than making a fair distinction between those who qualified for upgrade pricing on PagePlus X9 and those who didn’t. But then, I’m obviously not familiar with the intricacies of your customer database!

I'm not Patrick even on TV...

I would think the issue of fair & legacy customer has more to do with where is a cut-off point for being a legacy customer? Simply owning a version of a legacy product isn't a good definition per se. Is it one who has purchased the last 3 versions of PP? Or even three non-consecutive versions? Two versions? Certainly not just PPX9 as it is still being sold. A discount cannot simply be due to owning PPX9.

No matter how the definition is sliced & diced, some/many will feel cheated by whatever definition is involved.

There likely will be an introductory price for APub. Even at a full $50 it is not really more than a PP upgrade would have been.

I understand the psychology of the perceived value of discounts and loyalty rewards. I also understand the reality of the current pricing model for Affinity products.

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2 hours ago, Patrick Connor said:

We are not planning to offer any free products

So no free plug-in for Quick Look, no free trials, no free only-printing app for print shops, … to push the affinity file format.  :-(  :-(  :-(

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At the risk of being screamed at, we're talking about $50 U.S. for a new registration? Um, isn't that chicken feed to actually own, and not cloud-rent, a capable DTP program? Seriously, competitively speaking, what place does this put APub in?

I think my bottle returns are worth $50 this week; "chump change" is not worth sweating anything over.

 

My 2¢, devalued and cost-adjusted for Today's World™,

 

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37 minutes ago, MikeW said:

A discount cannot simply be due to owning PPX9.

When it was first launched, and right up until it became a ‘legacy’ product and its price was slashed accordingly, a discount on PPX9 was obtainable simply by owning (a registered copy of) either PPX8 or the latest version of any other ‘flagship’ product. It was originally announced that registered owners of DrawPlus X8 would qualify for a discount on Affinity Designer, and registered owners of PhotoPlus X8 would qualify for a discount on Affinity Photo.


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13 minutes ago, Oval said:

So no free plug-in for Quick Look, no free trials, no free only-printing app for print shops, … to push the affinity file format.  :-(  :-(  :-(

Who said that? Where are you getting it.? They have always put up free stuff to promote their products; the grade-ui pack for designer and the epic skies offering for Photo

We are not going to get the program for free. Initial discount? It would be welcomed but I don't know if that has been determined. Free trial? Perhaps when theey feel it is ready for prime time. Plugins? Templates? Those are all wait and see items

6 minutes ago, Patrick Connor said:

Is this pedants corner today? sigh

Patrick .. do you sometimes question yourself as to why you ever opened this thread? 

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3 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said:

When it was first launched, and right up until it became a ‘legacy’ product and its price was slashed accordingly, a discount on PPX9 was obtainable simply by owning (a registered copy of) either PPX8 or the latest version of any other ‘flagship’ product. It was originally announced that registered owners of DrawPlus X8 would qualify for a discount on Affinity Designer, and registered owners of PhotoPlus X8 would qualify for a discount on Affinity Photo.

I never got the offer. However I found that life went on, the sun came up and the birds kept singing ...


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17 minutes ago, AuthorAuthor said:

At the risk of being screamed at, we're talking about $50 U.S. for a new registration? Um, isn't that chicken feed to actually own, and not cloud-rent, a capable DTP program? Seriously, competitively speaking, what place does this put APub in?

I think my bottle returns are worth $50 this week; "chump change" is not worth sweating anything over.

 

My 2¢, devalued and cost-adjusted for Today's World™,

You won't get screamed at I hope but some people have t think about spending the money as it is not "chump change" nor "chicken feed" for them


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5 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said:

When it was first launched, and right up until it became a ‘legacy’ product and its price was slashed accordingly, a discount on PPX9 was obtainable simply by owning (a registered copy of) either PPX8 or the latest version of any other ‘flagship’ product. It was originally announced that registered owners of DrawPlus X8 would qualify for a discount on Affinity Designer, and registered owners of PhotoPlus X8 would qualify for a discount on Affinity Photo.

Yes, I know that.

And it didn't happen. And it's not gonna happen.

As regards PPX9, there are still people purchasing it. Should they get a discount on APub, or the same level of discount, that you should? You've owned how many versions of PP? I began with PPX5, so a relative late owner versus yourself.

Could Serif parse out PP customers according to version or date? Sure they could. But like I wrote above, whatever the cut-off, it will leave some screaming an injustice has been done. Better just to eat their words/promise of a discount on a $50 product that will have an introductory price than to create a scheme that will still piss people off.

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1 minute ago, MikeW said:

Could Serif parse out PP customers according to version or date? Sure they could. But like I wrote above, whatever the cut-off, it will leave some screaming an injustice has been done. Better just to eat their words/promise of a discount on a $50 product that will have an introductory price than to create a scheme that will still piss people off.

I don’t disagree, Mike! I just think it was perhaps a little unwise of Serif to promise that DPX8 owners would get preferential treatment when purchasing AD if they couldn’t or wouldn’t follow through.


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Just now, αℓƒяє∂ said:

I don’t disagree, Mike! I just think it was perhaps a little unwise of Serif to promise that DPX8 owners would get preferential treatment when purchasing AD if they couldn’t or wouldn’t follow through.

Other software I own have treatment,
Its no matter when I have bought the software, if I own it I got a discount.
Some other companies offer upgrade discount if I own a similar software from another company and buy the new software.

But, 50$ is cheap if the Affinity Publisher can do what PagePlus can.

-Per

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2 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said:

I don’t disagree, Mike! I just think it was perhaps a little unwise of Serif to promise that DPX8 owners would get preferential treatment when purchasing AD if they couldn’t or wouldn’t follow through.

I'm sure Serif regrets making those statements. 

What was the introductory price? $39 or some such amount? Whatever it was, I think the only real thing they could have done, or still do, would be to issue a one-time code to maintain that discount for future purchase. 

That's easy to do on the backends of the cart software I have configured. Dunno about theirs. 

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Shall we scream at creators, that people who buyed AD and AP together have to get a discount? or people that bought all the products from beginning? Omg. For ~50USD product?
Price of these fine products (counting in AD and AP) are so low, that any graphic designer can make money on it in few hours. So why so much flame?

Just shut up and take my money! Hope it will be soon ready for try/buy :)

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38 minutes ago, Rick G said:

You won't get screamed at I hope but some people have t think about spending the money as it is not "chump change" nor "chicken feed" for them

Oh, absolutely! That was "creative hyperbole" (for those can't say "exaggerate). I use inventive non-rational accounting to cover my software expenses. Software X is less than a set of snow tires, Software Y is 4 gallons of Haagen-Daz, and so on.


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2 minutes ago, AuthorAuthor said:

Oh, absolutely! That was "creative hyperbole" (for those can't say "exaggerate). I use inventive non-rational accounting to cover my software expenses. Software X is less than a set of snow tires, Software Y is 4 gallons of Haagen-Daz, and so on.

LOL 4 galons of Haagen Daz - definitelly sweetest post of the day!

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44 minutes ago, MikeW said:

As regards PPX9, there are still people purchasing it. Should they get a discount on APub, or the same level of discount, that you should? You've owned how many versions of PP? I began with PPX5, so a relative late owner versus yourself.

I know, I just bought it few days ago. :) I simply can't afford Adobe subscription anymore and PPX9, even being old, is doing a great job for what I need. I'm so looking forward for a new APublisher. I only need Photo, Designer and Publisher - then I'm all set.


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1 hour ago, Rick G said:

Who said that? Where are you getting it.?

Well, Patrick Connor wrote it here: “We are not planning to offer any free products”, which was definitely shocking in that moment. And to conceal such and similar mistakes, texts and announcements are tacitly changed. Called cheat software in Germany. Very popular in automotive industry. ;)

 

HTH

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18 minutes ago, Oval said:

And to conceal such and similar mistakes, texts and announcements are tacitly changed

Are you joking? I edited my post because of your pedantic remark (and after Rick G had asked you where you got it) ! I misspoke in terms of every software, you decided to read into it something that was not there. I changed a few words to now say

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We are not planning to offer any of our Affinity range products for free, sorry

I have left your quote of mine alone, as that is what I said  previously, but you chose to misunderstand and question it. I can see that it could be misinterpreted and so I corrected it. With a thread this long you do not expect everyone to read every post and I thought I would avoid any more quotes of what I said leading to comments on something irrelevant to Publisher, apparently not.

I am now out of this thread. Good luck getting any more honest answers in here for a while. Fed Up!


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2 minutes ago, Patrick Connor said:

...I am now out of this thread. Good luck getting any more honest answers in here for a while. Fed Up!

It's a pity some people push all the wrong buttons for their own agenda.

While you sit out for a while, Patrick, just remember that the vast majority of your customers, those who participate and those that don't, have no such agenda and likely, like myself, believe in Serif both as a company and as individuals such as yourself. I know I always have.

So thanks to you and the rest of the Serif people.

Mike

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1 minute ago, MikeW said:

So thanks to you and the rest of the Serif people.

Yepp, +1, im really greatful for first fair competition to adobe subscription.

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Just now, grapher said:

Yepp, +1, im really greatful for first fair competition to adobe subscription.

I have plenty of choices that keep me out of the Adobe subscription scheme. Even so, for some clients I need to rent for a month, rarely two months, while I do their projects. For those whom want me to use ID, most simply care that I use a version of ID so I use my CS6 version. The majority don't care what I use and/or desire QXP files be returned. A few want me to use Viva Designer, so I use that. Once in a blue moon I have used Scribus as that's what I needed to return.

My post, though, had nothing to do with alternatives to Adobe. It had everything to do with the Patrick & Co. that I have "known" since I purchased my first license for PP and the time spent beta testing, participating on the forum that preceded Community Plus for the Plus range and still do somewhat.

I trust and respect the people behind only two companies. Serif is one of those.

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