Sonny Sonny Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Hi, does Serif have any plan for AI integration (E.g: stable diffusion, or Affinity built-in AI) in the near future? Mr. Doodlezz and Westerwälder 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westerwälder Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Das Thema hatten wir erst vor kurzer Zeit, aber wenn Affinity mit KI beginnen sollte würde ich nicht mehr mir Affinity arbeiten, denn die KI zerstört jede Krativität beim Fotografieren, weil die nichts neues zeigen kann, weil sie mit betehenden Daten gefüttert ist! Bildbearbeitung mit Automatiken produziert nur Mittelwerte! We only had this topic a short time ago, but if Affinity were to start with AI, I wouldn't work with Affinity anymore, because the AI destroys all creativity when taking photos because it can't show anything new because it's fed with existing data! Image processing with automatic functions only produces average values! Timespider, Belmont, mdriftmeyer and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomi02118 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I would ask what you mean by AI. I’m sue the topic AI photo app and plugin to denoise and sharpen and it doesn’t destroy my creativity. AI art creation is another story to me, it might be fun to play with but in my testing of it it does nothing to help me create art as Westerwalder might agree with. So for me as aid to make some tools more powerful I am for it but not for much else. Some of the stuff Adobe is doing like using it to make graphic fonts is an interesting idea but I also have the feeling they would all look very similar very quickly. Timespider, KipV and Andy05 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lphilpot Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Sharpening, healing, denoising, upscaling, etc. -- Sure. Creating? No way. As long as AI is a tool to carry out my wishes, under my control, that's fine. When it starts "creating" by itself, no interest at all. Graphite Addict, KipV, Timespider and 1 other 4 Quote Len Affinity Photo 2 | QCAD 3 | FastStone | SpyderX Pro | FOSS: ART darktable XnView RawTherapee Inkscape G'MIC LibreOffice Windows 11 on a 16 GB, Ryzen 5700 8-core laptop with a cheesy little embedded AMD GPU Canon T8i / 850D | Canon EF 24-70mm F4L IS USM | Canon EF 70-200mm F4 L USM | Rikenon P 50mm f/1.7 | K&F Concept Nano-X filters ...desperately looking for landscapes in Nolandscapeland Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komatös Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 It remains to be clarified who owns the copyrights to the algorithm-generated images. Is it the author of the AI? Is it the user? Quote AMD Ryzen 7 5700X | INTEL Arc A770 LE 16 GB | 32 GB DDR4 3200MHz | Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (26100.1742) Affinity Suite V 2.5.5 & Beta 2.(latest) Interested in a free (selfhosted) PDF Solution? Have a look at Stirling PDF Before you ask! No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Komatös said: It remains to be clarified who owns the copyrights to the algorithm-generated images. Is it the author of the AI? Is it the user? In the US, the current decision is that no one owns them. Sonny Sonny, myclay, Timespider and 1 other 3 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AffinityMakesMeWonder Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Pretty impressed what online AI tools do these days… Uploading three pictures (small part of a bigger pictures) that showing before and after AI sharpening/colorizing… Quote Happy guy playing around with the Affinity Suite - really love typographic, photographing, Color & forms, AND, old Synthesizers from the 1980-1990’s… Macbook Pro 16” M1 2021 connected to an 32” curved 5K external display, iPad Pro 12.9” M1 2021, iPad Pro 10.5” A10X 2017, iMac 27” 5K/i7 late 2015 - also an Lenovo iMac i7 clone with 24” touch screen and Windows 10… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komatös Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, AffinityMakesMeSmile said: Pretty impressed what online AI tools do these days… Uploading three pictures (small part of a bigger pictures) that showing before and after AI sharpening/colorizing… AI-supported image optimization tools are, without a doubt, already a fine thing. @walt.farrell In Europe, there is a tendency for the authorship to lie with the AI developer. Well, according to our former chancellor (Angela Merkel), the Internet is new territory. 😂 walt.farrell 1 Quote AMD Ryzen 7 5700X | INTEL Arc A770 LE 16 GB | 32 GB DDR4 3200MHz | Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (26100.1742) Affinity Suite V 2.5.5 & Beta 2.(latest) Interested in a free (selfhosted) PDF Solution? Have a look at Stirling PDF Before you ask! No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomi02118 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Tools like sharpening etc is something we could want easily to be included in future Affinity updates. I do a lotto old photo restoration and while these tools can have variable quality they can do a lot to making some photos usable or retired in a way manually is impossible so I am all for it. It's the AI creating the whole photo or illustration I think is the wrong use for the technology. KarlLegion, Tillerz, Komatös and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herhey Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I think AI is very useful for selections (subjects, sky, objects, etc) iuli, olesya, Bobby1127 and 7 others 9 1 Quote Affinity Photo 2.0.0.1640 ◾ Windows 11 Pro 22H2 ◾ CPU: AMD Ryzen 3700X ◾ RAM: 32 GB 3200 Mhz ◾ GPU: AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB ◾ NVMe M.2 WD Black Sn750 500GB ◾ Monitors: 1 x Samsung 24" 1080p + 1 x Dell 22" 1050p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomi02118 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Good point too, I should have mentioned that. That would be a nice addition to A-photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Sonny Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 AI tools aren't bad on their own, but it's the people who use them that can make them seem that way. PaulEC, DigitalVisuals and CHKR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affinityconfusesme Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Ai tools are very expensive to develop. They need to be written in python because python is made for AI. Adobe photoshop has these tools because they charge a subscription for photoshop which means they have the money to develop them. Quote New hardware dell inspiron 3030 i5 14400/16GB DDR5/UHD 730 graphics Acer KB202 27in 1080p monitor Affinity Photo 1.10.6 Affinity photo 2 2.5.3 Affinity Designer 2 2.5.3 Affinity Publisher 2 2.5.3 on Windows 11 Pro version 24H2 Beta builds as they come out. canon 80d| sigma 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM | Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD | Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Autofocus APS-C Lens, Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herhey Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 There are a lot of good open source projects. Quote Affinity Photo 2.0.0.1640 ◾ Windows 11 Pro 22H2 ◾ CPU: AMD Ryzen 3700X ◾ RAM: 32 GB 3200 Mhz ◾ GPU: AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB ◾ NVMe M.2 WD Black Sn750 500GB ◾ Monitors: 1 x Samsung 24" 1080p + 1 x Dell 22" 1050p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATP Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 51 minutes ago, tzvi20 said: Ai tools are very expensive to develop. They need to be written in python because python is made for AI. Adobe photoshop has these tools because they charge a subscription for photoshop which means they have the money to develop them. As herhey mentioned there's a ton of open source projects which can do people and object recognition to a high standard of quality. KarlLegion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jussi Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 5 hours ago, tzvi20 said: Ai tools are very expensive to develop. They need to be written in python because python is made for AI. Adobe photoshop has these tools because they charge a subscription for photoshop which means they have the money to develop them. just to correct things a little, Python is just a wrapper using tons of various libraries. usually written in C++. however, these AI tricks require still lots of computational power and each of them require online cloud processing or sending data somewhere and receive the result. which might be a no-go for some users .. anyway, I would personaly also like some Affinity version of Neural filters currently available in Photoshop .. Sonny Sonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATP Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Some of the PS neural filters might be useful but things like Smart Portrait would be wasteful usages of Serif's resources. I'd much rather some smarter tools to automatically select objects, people, skies or improvements to in-painting/content aware fill etc. Cloud stuff is a no thanks for me, it's also expensive to run and locks us even more to Serif's servers than the internet activation introduced in V2 already does. Sonny Sonny, nomi02118 and Bobby1127 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Sonny Posted May 12, 2023 Author Share Posted May 12, 2023 Another simple way, I hope someone could develops an addon or a plugin that helps embed stable diffusion into Affinity UI, like some devs did for Krita, Photoshop, Gimp Westerwälder, KarlLegion and IPv6 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intuos5 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 On 5/2/2023 at 7:49 PM, herhey said: I think AI is very useful for selections (subjects, sky, objects, etc) Agreed, AI to simplify workflows to get something tedious done with 80% of the result and 10% of the work, otherwise, I see no use for AI tools. With Photoshop's AI tools, you still have to correct the sky selections, etc, which fail to get non-blue skies, night skies, reflections, etc. myclay, mdriftmeyer and nomi02118 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Sonny Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 While waiting for extension for AP, I'm using A1111 plugin for Krita and it works great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Hoffman Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 The only reason I keep Skylum LuminarAI around is because it can do some nice selective things with skies and color. Not sure how much actual "AI" is involved, but those sorts of tools are useful. I also use Topaz Photo AI, but it's very image dependent. It can wreak havoc with some types of images, though it can be good for restorations. In general, I don't want my editor to be creating or inventing anything, just remapping what's there. The metric I use is if the image were used in court, would the processing disqualify it from being a reasonable facsimile of the scene? IMO, anything processed through Topaz would be highly questionable. Manual cleanup of noise and tonal values much less so. If Affinity is going to add AI tools, they have to be clearly identified and not replace any more standard tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisthetikos Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 I'd like AI to replace the worst assembly line tasks that just steal time from creatives, like sharpening and selecting hair or correcting the color balance of entire images or selections. Professional photographers will demand this so that they or their assistants don't have to bill clients (or themselves) for image processing like they do today. I'm way behind in my own photo processing because I simply don't have the time or don't want to spend hours on image processing. I have taken many photos in my work and life, and many of them have potential if they go through image processing. But I never get around to it. Westerwälder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelnt Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 please ai generative fill soon or adobe will take my money again i need right now all the news ai tools, sorry... drpixels, Sonny Sonny, Alejandrogul and 1 other 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Sonny Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Abelnt said: please ai generative fill soon or adobe will take my money again i need right now all the news ai tools, sorry... Or just API support for Automatic1111 integration! It would be awesome! Alejandrogul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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