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Been adobe free for a while now. I use..

Capture One. This is a superb raw processor. All of my images go here first for basic adjustments.

Affinity Photo. I use this for anything that Capture One can't do. I think Affinity Photo is very much underrated. People just don't realise how powerful it is. For me it is worth the price for the blend range functionality alone. It has it's quirks, but what software doesn't.

Davinci Resolve & Fusion. Free and with everything I need for my video production needs. 

I havent needed any advanced vector stuff yet but when I do I will buy Affinity Designer.

 

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Affinity Photo is very much underrated

^^This. Totally.

And I am in the opposite situation: While I tested a recent trial, and used a lot the initial win Photo beta ( I have other apps since before I even knew about Affinity, for raster works, but is a must-purchase, pending ), what I have is AD. And it is really worth it, every bit of it.  :)


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Yes, I've been Adobe CC Free since the beginning of the year. I am very happy with AP, both on iPad and Mac, and AD - they suit my needs, along with a little bit of help from DxO.

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On 5/28/2018 at 7:48 PM, John Rostron said:

I cancelled my Adobe CC subscription a while back. However, I do still use a legacy copy of PS 5 for editing one-bit images. I used to use it for scanning, but I now use Vuescan.

John

Hi John,

I'm going to do the same. My subscription runs out in October and I've barely touched AI or PS since the EOL announcement of Muse and BC back in March. I immediately started using Affinity Design and Photo and switched InDesign back to Quark - which I first started my design career with many years ago. I haven't looked back.

Just wondering, did you simply save the most current versions of your CC apps so that you can use them without the subscription? I've more or less done that but want to make sure that is all I need to do so that I can still use them if I need to once I cancel. The thought of having all the subscription money every month is so nice. Adobe are such rip-off merchants.

Thanks,

Cathie

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3 hours ago, CathieLive said:

Just wondering, did you simply save the most current versions of your CC apps so that you can use them without the subscription

No, I just uninstalled them from my system. I still retain legacy PS5, Dreamweaver CS3 and Bridge CS3 for occasional use,but have removed all CC software. I do notice some CC software creeping back uninvited. I suspect that I have not properly uninstalled the CC controller.

John


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On 5/28/2018 at 11:12 AM, Stephen_H said:

Well people, I have done it. I've cancelled my Adobe CC subscription. Here's the proof. Anyone else packed it in with them?

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(It's a bit off topic, but I can't find a general/misc category for posting my own news.)

 

Not even close.

The only option in the market seemed to be affinity, but for me it doesn't cut it: crashes, half- baked features, missing features, no way I can replace PS or AI at this stage. 

Considered they're now focusing on more products on top of the limited resources they have, it's obvious for me that it doesn't make any sense to hold my breath. 


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I was an Adobe Photoshop 7 user for years; I never upgraded simply because I had no professional need to do so. My use is strictly for amusement and nothing else. I did toy with the idea of upgrading to a higher form of Photoshop such as CS6, etc, but then I found out that Adobe products had changed and their all new shiny business model had turned into a subscription based cloud. I checked out the rates for each subscription and considered it to be rather extortionate for what it was and it didn't make financial sense for me to adopt such a plan with them. I then began to look around for viable alternatives and by sheer chance stumbled across Affinity Photo. The price, as it seemed to me then, was way too cheap and i thought that the suite might not be up to scratch performance-wise, but I thought what the hell! Give the free trial a go and take it from there.

In truth, I was gob-smacked. The program had everything I needed to warrant buying it. I am now glad I did and after a year of using the program - give or take the odd glitch hear and there, I have become a devotee of Affinity Photo.

I'm just glad I didn't cave in and subscribe to the Adobe Creative Cloud. When one is an amatuer or image meddler as I am, it makes no sense whatsoever to give money to a company whose business philosophy doesn't cater for the casual user whose regular montly payments would end up paying for the software outright again and again.

No thanks.


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Started with Photoshop 6 right through to CC2017, but I was lucky and always got it free as part of my job teaching. As I am leaving teaching (in 7 days in fact) I started looking at costs of paying myself over these last few months.

Photoshop is a fine program and have made a lot of use over the years but sometimes I am tempted to use the term 'bloatware' as they have crammed more and more into it, not to mention the software rental model they have moved  made it unattractive. After a few searches one name kept coming up as an alternative and that was of course Affinity Photo, so I gave the trial a whirl and then bought it as I was hooked! Does just what I need which is photography.

I even convinced work (A college in the UK) and they used it to save a shed load of money by ditching 15 of their monthly licences. The students love it too.

Results wise, I find that I get better and quicker results using Affinity vs using Photoshop, and even my favourite plugins work too (DxO's Colour Efex Pro and HDR Pro).

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My case, I've been using Adobe products for few years only but found it to inspirational enough for me. Too much technical and getting too heavy like all Mercedes softwares out there (I like Mercedes cars but not when a software mimic the car). 
So I simply trashed all adobe products on my mac, kept InDesign for weeks but finally dumped it. 
Installed Sketch as a replacement of Adobe XD and it helped me to learn more about the Pen tool, I also replaced after effect I wanted to learn with HitFilm Express; it uses less memory as I found,  it's free and they offers free 400 FX pack. 
The only thing I'm still fighting with is the print functionality,  I don't know why but my works get really dark when I print from Affinity and also the PDF engine is not that okay for me. 
I save my work in PNG format and send them to an external level hinting company but have recently found that TIFF files created with affinity are of good quality (I would say far more better than PNG created from the same software). 


I'm happy with affinity and really appreciate the work peoples like @Bri-Toon and the guy from Design Art Studio are doing on YouTube  weekly basis, They are great source of inspiration and work improvment. 


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On 7/5/2018 at 7:32 PM, Arnaud Mez said:

I'm happy with affinity and really appreciate the work peoples like @Bri-Toon and the guy from Design Art Studio are doing on YouTube  weekly basis, They are great source of inspiration and work improvment. 

Thank you for the acknowledgement. It's appreciated.


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FYI For All Looking To Jump the Adobe Mothership:

It has taken me 2 years to unfold, but here is my current Adobe-free workflow..
(All do 90% of what each Adobe package does, and stunningly a WHOLE lot more that most of the Adobe packages DONT do)

1. Obviously Photoshop and Illustrator swapped for AP and AD
(this is working surprisingly well, and is a dream once youve gotten used to Affinity's way of doing things)
(a couple of things, like new image settings automatically sizing to what's in the clipboard, would be nice for some extra efficiency, but those are finer bells that will come with time)

2. Acrobat Pro?
Foxit PhantomPDF is far and away the best of 6 software alternatives I have tried, and far cheaper than Adobe... and so far has done EVERYTHING that Acrobat Pro did for me and more - (including formula embedded form fields, signatures, etc. - and a couple of things I never got from Acrobat - can you say Remote File Security features!)

3. Premiere and After Effects?
These have always been a wrestle in my opinion, and the need to move from one to the other has broken not only many a schedule, but sometimes a project or two.
I have just reached video editing nirvana with the latest DaVinci Resolve 15 beta (which now incorporates Fusion etc. into the already integrated Audio and Color Grading elements in ONE software package) - which is faster, slicker and in my opinion far more powerful to use - and FREE (with pretty much all the basic features most prosumers would need) - it has a $250 purchase price if you have a specialist production requirement (in which case that price is certainly reasonable)

4. Dreamweaver?
There has been a glut of Free/Cheap alternative HTML/Site/Script editors emerge in the last couple of years.
I am currently still settling between two, so I wont name names yet, but I'm already finding both of them to be a much smoother dream to weave.

I am finally feeling free of the Adobe tentacles!
(and I have been a professional Graphic Designer, using both Mac and PC versions of most Adobe suites since Photoshop came on floppy disks)
(I used to be an avid fan, but how big has the snow ball rolled.. that they now need far too hungry a vacuum-based business model to maintain their inefficient and archaic structure)

This is the natural cycle of things - time to start getting in early on the next generations of software.
Hope this helps someone else find freedom, choice and a heavier wallet once again.

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I cancelled my Adobe subscription the other week after being with them for a very long time. The software is good, but their business practices have been a little frustrating for a while. Years ago when I moved to the US for a period of time, I couldn't use my regular Adobe ID, as they are region locked and a new one needed to be created. That was the beginning of my frustration.

For the last few years, I actually kept on rolling Illustrator back to CC13 as I found it ran more stable than newer versions. It was only CC18 that felt as stable. The selection engine still feels worse though, and they also killed the ability to use it in portrait orientation on a tablet, so that was nice. Its lack of print options and its awful rending of vector lines had been bugging me for a while. I still have difficulties understanding why placing an AI file in Photoshop renders thin lines drastically better than how it looks or exports directly out of Illustrator.

Photoshop has worked the same way, so I can't complain, but I also had no need for any single additional thing they've added in ages. Constantly paying for a couple of programmes that have essentially stayed unchanged for half a decade was the final kicker. If the pricing was more reasonable, I would have stayed. So I've been waiting for ages for a decent Illustrator alternative to appear. I was aware of Affinity, but wasn't aware they were now on Windows. Wish I'd known that a year ago.

I've been using Designer for less than a month and it feels really good for my usage needs. I love the rendering quality, and the tools it has work really well. It's no where near as full a package as Illustrator and Photoshop combined, but I'm not finding it to be a problem so far. I thought the lack of extra Illustrator tools would have stopped me from transitioning, but it hasn't been an issue. I still hope some of those tools make their way across in some form, but at the moment I can live without them.

I love that Adobe's subscription pricing has caused a lot more competition to come to market. I hope that competition continues to grow and new and interesting ideas surface as a result.

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One of the things i hate about Adobe is the lack of  dedicated       < Undo  Redo >   and Delete   button on the interface.

Just checked and AD hasn't got them either...

Guess they don't  want to offend the  Ctrl zee,  keyboard shortcut fanatic  crowd , who would  find such things vulgar and offensive.

Plus no isometric tools or plugins like AI

Upshot  I've  just RENEWED by Adobe  Subscription..

 

 

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Nah, is not offensive for that "crowd" (the industry standards bad boys, and about any pro, you know). But a lot of professional software out there, I'd say the majority, is heavily based on shortcuts (and very rarely having an undo or delete button) specially with very often used actions.  Professional usage tends to opt for relying on shortcuts for speed's sake (it's proved to be *way* faster, indeed specially in the CC software (as you even mention, and still you go back to them...), it has always been so, btw, since my loved PS 2.0 version which I used back in '95, through all the CS versions, and now the CCs), even more when also assigning these shortcuts to the graphic tablet (or pen-display) buttons , and even the pen side buttons.

If that's the reason to leave Affinity, fine, but I think is not even a reason (or a too small one), at least not in pro usage. I have ctrl + z (and used to have ctrl + alt +z at companies where I used Adobe, for the go back in history undo) in most apps in my pen side button, and that's IMO way faster than carrying the cursor to a tool bar button, click there, and get back to the drawing, photo retouch or whatever (and also a fast ctrl+z hit , or tablet button hit, is faster than the toolbar trip,  if using only the mouse.)

If I were in the need of isometric guides, I'd rather opt for sth like Krita (although that is a raster painter, I know) , which indeed I use in a complementary way to AD :  https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/painting_with_assistants.html#axonometric  . And you could probably build some workflow for this in AD.

But hey, some people like renting. I prefer purchasing (at an extremely low price with even free updates), to each his/her own. (btw, in the iPad, AD's undo is double fingers tap (typically with the hand u're not using) , redo 3 fingers tap... can't get any faster than that... (even while to me ctrl+z in the pen side button is the fastest ever).

 


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On 5/28/2018 at 9:12 PM, Stephen_H said:

Well people, I have done it. I've cancelled my Adobe CC subscription. Here's the proof. Anyone else packed it in with them?

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(It's a bit off topic, but I can't find a general/misc category for posting my own news.)

 

I wonder how many tries it took you to cancel the subscription without Adobe's Support begging you to stay? I've wasted so much energy on trying to unsubscribe successfully that I was ready to do it the hard way with the help of my bank. The reasons I ended my subscription to Adobe back in 2015 were  that I've noticed a huge decrease in performance of Photoshop (more and more with each update, getting all the new useless to me features) and also because the subscription cost in my area got up by almost 30%. So I've spent about a month trying to make them end my subscription before they charge me at the end of the month.

P.S.
I've read some comments here from people saying that Affinity Photo is not even close to Photoshop and Affinity Designer is not even close to Illustrator. I gotta say those people got dumbed down by Adobe products so much that they don't even know how to do their workflow in a different enviroment with the same tools. It's like if the pen tool is located 5 sections down compared to Photoshop then they lose themselves and don't know what the heck is going on and what should they do now.
I've been using Gimp before I found out about Affinity products and I've been able to do 90% of my Photoshop's workflow in Gimp. Yes it wasn't the smoothest workflow in Gimp back then but I didn't have a problem to use my knowledge in a different enviroment and with different tools. But now that I've found Affinity Photo, I just fell in love with it and I gotta say that in some aspects it works faster and better than Photoshop.

P.P.S.
A couple of days ago I saw news that Adobe is going to release full version of Photoshop for iPads. I feel like they got threatened by Affinity products getting released on iPad and taking all those awards. Anyway, this piece of crap is still going to be subscription based AND it's going to perform like shit as well.

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23 minutes ago, Dream said:

P.S.
I've read some comments here from people saying that Affinity Photo is not even close to Photoshop and Affinity Designer is not even close to Illustrator. I gotta say those people got dumbed down by Adobe products so much that they don't even know how to do their workflow in a different enviroment with the same tools. It's like if the pen tool is located 5 sections down compared to Photoshop then they lose themselves and don't know what the heck is going on and what should they do now.
 

And you know this because..? 

You speak as if you directly watched this people working and apparently struggling with the switch.

Anyway, hope you realize it's a strong statement. 


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35 minutes ago, verysame said:

And you know this because..? 

You speak as if you directly watched this people working and apparently struggling with the switch.

Anyway, hope you realize it's a strong statement. 

I know this because when someone is crying that Affinity Photo is not even close to Photoshop, it's clear that they don't even know the software. To me it's like they jumped into a trial version for 30 minutes, didn't find their favorite tool in the right place and felt like the software is too far from Photoshop. I'm using this as an example because I've seen many posts on the froums from people asking how to do this and how to do that, while all of it is laying right in front of them just with different names. So they got used to Photoshop so much that they don't even understand that two differently named tools are doing the same job. They don't want to find a way around their workflow that they've been doing for years in the same software, so it leads them to saying that Photo or Designer is too far from Adobe's products.
By the way, the thing about the pen tool was just an exaggerated example to push the point.

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Yes indeed! Well over a year ago I said goodbye to Adobe and haven't looked back.

I have both Affinity Designer and Photo and love them more than Illustrator and Photoshop. Even after 18+ years of using Photoshop, I just find Affinity to be better. 

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8 hours ago, Dream said:

I know this because when someone is crying that Affinity Photo is not even close to Photoshop, it's clear that they don't even know the software. To me it's like they jumped into a trial version for 30 minutes, didn't find their favorite tool in the right place and felt like the software is too far from Photoshop. [...]

 

Well, I don't think it's quite clear. Yes, people often expect everything to be as they want it, and I agree with you that users more often than not post questions when it would take them just a few clicks to figure it out by themselves (and if not by exploring the programs, at least by looking up on Google, but we live in lazy societies). On the other hand, there are situations where things can simply go unnoticed because of some unusual choice for the GUI, largely discussed. It took me a while to get used to the cycle through different tools by just pressing B on the keyboard: initially, I was always ending up using the color replacement brush instead of the regular brush (just to cite one of the several episodes) and I remember I thought something wasn't quite working.

That said, your statement still sounds quite strong, at least I personally felt it like that especially because of "people saying that Affinity Photo is not even close to Photoshop", which is what I wrote right above. I stand by what I wrote and, believe me, I used, learned and squeezed a lot Affinity Photo (and for the most part, Designer): considered my experience, unfortunately, they are indeed not close and I really, really wanted to like them (reason why, if possible, I'm even more disappointed by the outcome).

Lastly, it's also worth to be noted, as there are lazy people who are not exactly willing to make the transition, there are also a lot of beginners or hobbyist who pick up Serif products, mainly because of the price. What I mean is, most likely to many users AP/AD will be close if not better than PS/AI because A) They are not professional/advanced users and B) With Affinity they get all they need.


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24 minutes ago, verysame said:

Lastly, it's also worth to be noted, as there are lazy people who are not exactly willing to make the transition, there are also a lot of beginners or hobbyist who pick up Serif products, mainly because of the price. What I mean is, most likely to many users AP/AD will be close if not better than PS/AI because A) They are not professional/advanced users and B) With Affinity they get all they need.

A) They are not professional/advanced users
And there you are, speaking as if you directly watched those people working and you can tell who is a professional and who is a hobbyist :) I personally use both Photo and Designer for game asset creation. Since it's part of my job workflow, we can all agree that this is a professional use. Also, three of my friends that work in a professional photography studio have also switched to Affinity Photo. They still thank me from time to time because I was the one who recommended Photo to them.

B) With Affinity they get all they need

Exactly. If with Affinity we get ALL we need, why would we pay monthly for some extra bloated crap? Or what is it that you don't get in Affinity that Photoshop gives you? That 'magical' one-click subject selection?

Anyway, we're not going to come to a mutual agreement on this topic, so let's not turn this post into a war between Photoshop and Affinity users. We've said our opinions. I've spent more than 5 years with Adobe and I had enough experience with it to say that Photoshop has turned into slow, bloated shit.
But I don't have anything against your opinion. Some people just like to pay extra for things. People buy expensive Beats by Dre while there are headphones with a greater quality and for lower price, people buy expensive iPhones (probably going to trigger a new wave of Apple fans) while there are more powerful android smartphones that had most of the 'new' features of new iPhones years before Apple even thought of that, people also pay monthly to Adobe for something that they don't even use 70% of, and the other 30% of features that they do use, those features are present in alternative software.

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20 minutes ago, Dream said:

what is it that you don't get in Affinity that Photoshop gives you?


Affinity Photo has missing features; in my case that would be channelpacking of RGB-A images and exporting them as TGA,DDS
where you could make usage of four intact images in one file.
For Affinity Designer; a Tracing feature...

We could wade thru hundreds of feature-wishes and would find numerous valid missing features.
Never the less, my new PC too is an Adobe free zone and with Affinity Publisher, it hopefully stays like that. :)

 


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20 hours ago, Dream said:

A) They are not professional/advanced users
And there you are, speaking as if you directly watched those people working and you can tell who is a professional and who is a hobbyist :) I personally use both Photo and Designer for game asset creation. Since it's part of my job workflow, we can all agree that this is a professional use. Also, three of my friends that work in a professional photography studio have also switched to Affinity Photo. They still thank me from time to time because I was the one who recommended Photo to them.

B) With Affinity they get all they need

Exactly. If with Affinity we get ALL we need, why would we pay monthly for some extra bloated crap? Or what is it that you don't get in Affinity that Photoshop gives you? That 'magical' one-click subject selection?

Anyway, we're not going to come to a mutual agreement on this topic, so let's not turn this post into a war between Photoshop and Affinity users. We've said our opinions. I've spent more than 5 years with Adobe and I had enough experience with it to say that Photoshop has turned into slow, bloated shit.
But I don't have anything against your opinion. Some people just like to pay extra for things. People buy expensive Beats by Dre while there are headphones with a greater quality and for lower price, people buy expensive iPhones (probably going to trigger a new wave of Apple fans) while there are more powerful android smartphones that had most of the 'new' features of new iPhones years before Apple even thought of that, people also pay monthly to Adobe for something that they don't even use 70% of, and the other 30% of features that they do use, those features are present in alternative software.

You seem to assume a lot of things, only you didn't get them right.

As for the A, I'm just referring to the people who post here, whereas your reply was actually mentioning what I wrote. By the way, I have been using Photoshop since 1995 (and I use Android, oh, and FOSS).

In regards to B, you didn't get what I meant: those users get all they need for their job, therefore, it's obvious that for them Affinity is close or better than PS. If they weren't, their opinions would be different. So, when you criticize people for their opinions, you should think twice and realize that we all have different needs. I understand that AP may be fine for you, but it is not for me. Telling me that it's just because I didn't make the effort to study the program is just a sign of preconception. Granted, you were speaking in general (or not exactly), and my point is there are other cases and is not fair to include them in this big bowl.

I couldn't care less about flames and wars between software. I use what suits my needs and my job. Do I like Adobe's business model? No. Is it Adobe bugs free? No. Does a real alternative exist for my job? No. I paid for Affinity and spent a lot of time with it but I'm simply left with no choices.

Apparently, you searched some of my posts (and no, there is nothing magical about one-click selection, just coding), but you missed the older posts where I added my contribution figuring out workarounds and other ways to get things done in AP, I say not very respectful.


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13 hours ago, Dream said:

I know this because when someone is crying that Affinity Photo is not even close to Photoshop, it's clear that they don't even know the software. To me it's like they jumped into a trial version for 30 minutes, didn't find their favorite tool in the right place and felt like the software is too far from Photoshop.

I also don’t think that such are helpful statements. It’s awesome that Affinity products live fully up to expectations in your game development context. It's equally nice for everyone else who made similar experiences. It’s very bold though, to state that customers with all sorts of other backgrounds, working habbits and hardware must be equally happy ‘otherwise they just haven’t tried properly’.

I as a longtime Adobe user was very furious about their SAAS switch and the fact that they don’t let you access your intellectual property after letting expire their service contract. Hence I never subscribed to CC – heck I even wrote several protest notes to offices at European Union, in charge of guarding competition and intellectual property.


Yes, I would be more than happy to stop using my 5 years old Adobe CS6 products. But should I do this right now?
No, at least for my use case and my hardware this would be plain foolish – and I have purchased both Affinity apps as soon as they got available for Windows.

Thus far with Affinity I can not edit at the speed I’m used to. Batch loading of RAW files takes forever (they are instantly there in PS), I can’t develop stacks of of files with equal settings, I experience latency in numerous tools (the software even needs to think for a second to fill a blank canvas with a solid colour). I’m even running into show stopping graphics defects on pretty decent hardware.

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Photo and Designer are the closest thing I've seen to PS and AI, followed close (in PS case, at least in certain areas) by PSP. In vectors,  I certainly liked too Xara and Corel Draw (even Inkscape). For my pro uses, definitely Photo and Designer are really good. I recon I combine Affinity with other ones, and plan to do it even more, with other apps.  I thought long ago I'd go for the "one ring to bring them all" concept, in software, but more and more am getting to use multiple UIs in a same project. Done always so, but seems it is quite practical with the present situation. Probably as in my profile as a game artist (is one of them, I don't speak from that perspective only, as indeed late years I am more of an illustrator, graphic designer and image editor) any pro needs to use more and more different software applications combined, and increasingly complex workflows (ZB, PBR stuff, shaders, high end rendering, compositing, etc), that my brain is adapting to the apps combos concept even more  than it always did. So, is not so terrible when I need a specific feature which is not in a specific application. Thankfully, there are very good low cost and mid cost tools being exceptional in particular matters where I see a lack in a main tool . My main raster tool is lately Clip Studio Paint, but I have used tons of applications, very heavily in all my professional life, and before as a hobbyist. I agree with those thinking Affinity line can do well, despite the issues, as it is often possible to find a work around, or use several tools combined.

I wouldn't agree tho in that PS or AI are crap. They are extremely good, but they have become ( * very * ) badly optimized in performance (well specially PS, not particularly AI, but yep also After Effects and some other from the CC ), and there's no solid reason for this, as even a PS CS 5.5 was extremely faster for the same tasks. The brush engine of CC 2018 is actually really good, and finally adds line smoothing (curious timing, it was recent the addition in A. Photo)   so, I would neither agree about PS and Adobe in general not improving lately. It ALWAYS improves, but certainly not in performance, while CSP rocks largely in performance, and in my tests, A. Photo is quite lighter than current PS, and that means a lot to me. What definitely  leaves CC out for me is the subscription system, and not only for the money. I'm ready to fight any obstacle instead of going CC (done so with way poorer open source tools, when not just pre alphas, and done full commercial projects with those, so....).  The hardware issues can be solved by purchasing the best possible hardware, but I am afraid not of the given point and situation in time (same fear with possible subscription fees increases...), but about the dynamic of things. If  its gonna go this route, always requiring the best machine in the market for what before was doable fast with a low end one, a 5 years old machine, then the trick will do for some months after you purchase a new brand machine, you will need to update way too soon your hardware, months later, so is yet another cost added, and not a small one, not very cost effective for any business or personal/freelance usage.  The sensible route is Affinity (it would be some of the alternatives per app if Affinity had not been created: I like some of the other ones, too...  I just prefer Affinity's take (and completeness) at it, and the Serif's company style, in general. IMO, not providing at least a purchase option in CC "might" have not been a globally popular solution. At least for a large percentage. The bad performance in hardware of latest CC versions can end up finishing that job....

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Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo licenses, Windows 7, i7  860 (2009) 2.8 GHz,  8 GB RAM, GTX 1050 2 GB, HD 7200 RPM.  Wacom Intuos 4 XL.

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