Canva

[albertkinng]

6 hours ago, transitdiagrams said:

and eventually will disappear.

It’s called Corel Vector now. Same will happen to Affinity. Canva Designer, Canva Photo and Canva Publisher. Accepting that fact will bring you peace of mind.

https://www.coreldraw.com/en/product/vector/

[R C-R]

14 minutes ago, albertkinng said:

Same will happen to Affinity. Canva Designer, Canva Photo and Canva Publisher.

Why would Canva abandon the Affinity brand name?

[Bit Disappointed]

16 minutes ago, albertkinng said:

It’s called Corel Vector now. Same will happen to Affinity. Canva Designer, Canva Photo and Canva Publisher. Accepting that fact will bring you peace of mind.

https://www.coreldraw.com/en/product/vector/

Yes, the name change was always on the cards. But one thing is what it's called. Another thing is what has happened to the product. It might as well be called Corel Fossilized. There is no further development on it, but there is a false "time-limited" offer on a subscription to the product that was Gravit. Corel has added nothing - only sealed the program's fate: locked, abandoned, and living on borrowed time.

Las Vegas. Now in your toolbox.

[PaoloT]

2 hours ago, albertkinng said:

Same will happen to Affinity. Canva Designer, Canva Photo and Canva Publisher.

I can't see why. Canva is replacing Serif, not Affinity. Affinity is not the company name, but the suite's.

Paolo

 

[Rodi]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:39 AM, Bit Disappointed said:

There's so much more than you mention that's missing in Affinity. I haven't been conservative. I've just been unable to use anything but Designer. Like, at all.

The lack of valid accessibility in PDFs alone is a total deal-breaker. Here we're talking about legislation and beyond legislation, basic education and respect for everyone. And the accessibility within Affinity itself is also terrible.

No, there's a long way up to Adobe. It's not just the small against the big story. There are many who have to choose something else due to professional requirements, and others not being able to identify or understand these requirements doesn't change reality.

We're talking about a deficient ecosystem from company to product to output. Not just individual flaws and lacks. There are simply people out there with different needs and expectations for professional software than what people here understand and can comprehend, and until this is recognized and respected by the members of the forum, the full truth about why Affinity didn't "bizarrely" take large market shares won't be known, and so the story about conservatism and Adobe can continue. It's as if many here including Serif don't grasp the world a few steps away from their own desk.

Overall, the manic focus on Adobe annoys me. There are other big companies, and their products also exude professionalism whether you like them or not. They have delivered and gained insight into the customers' needs and workflows due to real contact with them.

Conservatism is also about clinging to the same narrative of victimhood.

Did you ever work on V1 or InDesign or Illustrator or v3 Pagemaker? LOL, every program needs time to mature to get professional. Quark took to V3 and it was so good they forgot to make it better in good ways and v4 was terrible.

Have you opened a PDF with InDesign to edit it? Can't do it. You can with Affinity Publisher. It's terrifying at times, but once you work out a system, it's pretty nice.. I have edited text and extended bleeds to files that would have otherwise been total failures.


Can you explain the lack of accesibility in PDFS means? I do think they should have an acrobat type of program, but since they don't I use Qoppa PDF Studio and Callas PDF Toolbox desktop and an old (7) of Acrobat.

I have identified issues with Publisher but it still does a good job on a number of items that Adobe will never address. Try this, import a PDF to InDesign, say 24 pages with bleed. Do the same in Publisher. In ID you have to set each page up in the right place each page... it's work. Affinity, make 24 pages bring first page in on first page of doc, set, then copy and past and just switch the page numbers, it's very robust.

On Adobe, well they are the kingpin, everyone should gun for them if they intend to dethrone them. If Affinity went after Quark... well I think you get what I mean.

I really like Affinity programs even though I can't use them all 100% of the time, yet. I hope they continue to mature them and can compete.

LetraStudio, ColorStudio, FontStudio, FreeHand, Quark, Corel, Canvas, Scribus, Inkscape, Gimp, Ready Set Go, Live Picture, Painter, Typestry . . . and a host of many others I have used to get jobs done. Sometimes the top dogs are great, but they don't have all the answers for all the problems.

Adobe, in my, and many other's opinion are too expensive for a good amount of the design community. Affinity is trying to alleviate that problem and we salute them, but we don't give them an easy pass for short falls.

 

[wonderings]

On 4/5/2024 at 7:47 PM, Rodi said:

upgrade to Affinity v2 totally worth it, I have found it more stable and usable on every front and the little updates aren't as quircky as some 1.x versions were.

What do you do about new spot colors or changes to files with Postcript type 1 fonts?


As far as the past, graphic designers were not content but frightened that if they didn't use particular software that was top dog at the time they would not be respected... I used Illustrator and Freehand, Quark (later InDesign, but that was 2005) Photoshop, Live Picture. I also used cool little programs for vectors LetraStudio. I hated Corel, but I was able to make color bars with slurs for a place I worked at. I try to find what works.  The only adobe product I can say I need professionally is Acrobat, but that's because Pitstop don't stand alone like Callas PDFToolbox that I use. I still have Freehand 10 (the best version) on Windows 10 machine.

Canva has been a thorn in my professional bottom, I told my bosses these customers are so cheap they should buy Affinity! IT's so much better! LOL...

At the moment no plans to upgrade to V2, I just don't use V1 and have no plans of moving from Adobe at the moment. 

What I do with new spot colours? I use them. With unsupported fonts, which I have yet to come up one that I could not simply replace with a newer font. Also pretty rare for a file that old to come up of a reprint. 

I would not say people were not using software because they were afraid they would not be respected, at least not the good and profitable shops. Why does it matter what you use as long as the job gets done efficiently without breaking the bank. I found plenty of cheap work arounds to do what the big shops with expensive top of the line RIPS and other software would do. Pride comes before the fall, and if you are letting your image in the community come before what the quality of your work is telling people, then you will not last long. 

 

[Rodi]

10 hours ago, wonderings said:

At the moment no plans to upgrade to V2, I just don't use V1 and have no plans of moving from Adobe at the moment. 

What I do with new spot colours? I use them. With unsupported fonts, which I have yet to come up one that I could not simply replace with a newer font. Also pretty rare for a file that old to come up of a reprint. 

I would not say people were not using software because they were afraid they would not be respected, at least not the good and profitable shops. Why does it matter what you use as long as the job gets done efficiently without breaking the bank. I found plenty of cheap work arounds to do what the big shops with expensive top of the line RIPS and other software would do. Pride comes before the fall, and if you are letting your image in the community come before what the quality of your work is telling people, then you will not last long. 

 

LOL, outside of being thrown of of the typesetting industry (there was one, once, lol) I have been in print a long time! Each season brings new challenges, and as an artist I like to make clients work look as good as it can.

I worked at a label shop that was spot color shop, I converted them to process work and after a few years of photoshop work for total ink, we got a new rip. Welp, first job, without adjustment gets done. Boss throws the label roll at me, "what am I gonna tell them, we didn't know what we were doing before this?" Everything went  back to the way it was, lol.

[Muscateer]

I like the 4 pledges. It means I don't have to go to Subscription if I don't want to, which is important. They also say that the software will remain affordable. So it all sounds good to me. 

If this has made you rich... enjoy!

[albertkinng]

35 minutes ago, Muscateer said:

If this has made you rich...

Richer! …And I have experience in similar corporate settings. Please wait six months and be patient. Some companies are prepared after six months, while others may take a year. Canva appears to be a well-organized company. I believe that in six months, they will have everything sorted out—what stays, what goes, and the dos and don'ts for Affinity. This is speculative, but if these changes benefit Canva users, don't be surprised if our apps are slightly simplified after an update. I'm confident that if this occurs, a Pro version will likely be offered at a price.

[Bryan Rieger]

15 minutes ago, albertkinng said:

This is speculative, but if these changes benefit Canva users, don't be surprised if our apps are slightly simplified after an update. I'm confident that if this occurs, a Pro version will likely be offered at a price.

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'simplify'?

If you mean, to remove or 'dumb down' features? Possibly, but that defeats the purpose of acquiring a 'professional' set of apps in the first place.

If however, you mean to simplify in terms of improving the overall UX of the apps, then I'm all for it, as it would not only benefit Canva users coming to the Affinity apps, but all of the current Affinity users as well.

I can't see how they would benefit from creating yet another tier of tools to sit in-between Canva and Affinity, as it would only serve to confuse customers.

[Alfred]

11 hours ago, Rodi said:

LOL, outside of being thrown of of the typesetting industry (there was one, once, lol) I have been in print a long time!

Does that mean you’re out of print now?

What does one do to get thrown off/out of the typesetting industry (or, indeed, any industry)? 

[albertkinng]

42 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said:

If you mean, to remove or 'dumb down' features?

This is precisely what I mean. In my experience, buyers often believe that the original product is superior and will attempt to "fix" the one they purchased. Canva is well-known for its simplicity, so I anticipate that this will be their initial approach. Nevertheless, all of this remains speculative.

[wonderings]

2 hours ago, albertkinng said:

This is precisely what I mean. In my experience, buyers often believe that the original product is superior and will attempt to "fix" the one they purchased. Canva is well-known for its simplicity, so I anticipate that this will be their initial approach. Nevertheless, all of this remains speculative.

I can't see Canva offering a dumbed down offline program, the whole point of Canva is its simplicity. No installs needed, all browser based, it does not get simpler then that. Affinity will be the "pro" version and I think they will continue pressing on as normal, just maybe at a different pace. Buying the company to dumb down their software or to split them up just makes things more complicated. Imagine Canva as is, selling what they do online and now offering something for the more advanced users with offline software. 

[R C-R]

3 hours ago, albertkinng said:

This is precisely what I mean. In my experience, buyers often believe that the original product is superior and will attempt to "fix" the one they purchased.

How could buyers "fix" the software they bought & what does that have to do with what Canva will do with Affinity?

[debraspicher]

5 hours ago, Bryan Rieger said:

I can't see how they would benefit from creating yet another tier of tools to sit in-between Canva and Affinity, as it would only serve to confuse customers.

Especially unhelpful when the customer is already confused.

[Grauzorn]

I will continue to support the affinity product line as long as it is fair and they keep perpetual licenses.

I dont believe it so, but I hope for Android versions of their iPad lineup.

[William Overington]

Regarding Pledge 4,

Will Affinity publish a statement of the process by which ideas and feedback are assessed please?

If Affinity takes up an idea suggested by an end user and as a result Canva earns more money than it otherwise would have done, will Canva pay any money to the person who suggested the idea?

William

 

[William Overington]

9 hours ago, Alfred said:

What does one do to get thrown off/out of the typesetting industry (or, indeed, any industry)? 

One does not necessarily need to DO anything. If what are called the employer's NEEDS change, then one is out. It means needing to look for another job and quite likely being told that one's specialist skills are of no interest whatsoever and people want years of experience in this, that, these and those and it must be version 6 of those.

William

 

[henryanthony]

27 minutes ago, William Overington said:

Regarding Pledge 4,

Will Affinity publish a statement of the process by which ideas and feedback are assessed please?

If Affinity takes up an idea suggested by an end user and as a result Canva earns more money than it otherwise would have done, will Canva pay any money to the person who suggested the idea?

William

 

Who knows and seriously!? LOL!

[William Overington]

18 minutes ago, henryanthony said:

Who knows and seriously!? LOL!

Why laugh out loud?

Lots of money has been paid to purchase Affinity.

It is a business selling licences for software.

Pledge 4 asks for ideas.

I am simply asking if they will pay for ideas if they are taken up and make money.

Affinity is a business.

William

 

[R C-R]

33 minutes ago, William Overington said:

Why laugh out loud?

Because software companies rarely if ever pay for nothing more than ideas about features users would like to see implemented.

[Old Bruce]

14 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Because software companies rarely if ever pay for nothing more than ideas about features users would like to see implemented.

Most corporations don't pay for ideas offered up by the public. Especially when a lot of the ideas from users are along the lines of "Company X has this thing why don't you?"

[pixelstuff]

5 hours ago, William Overington said:

Regarding Pledge 4,

Will Affinity publish a statement of the process by which ideas and feedback are assessed please?

If Affinity takes up an idea suggested by an end user and as a result Canva earns more money than it otherwise would have done, will Canva pay any money to the person who suggested the idea?

William

 

In general, ideas aren't worth much unless they also come with a blueprint on how to build them. 

[Raptosauru5]

I see there are lots of speculations here and many theories on how this could go.

I am just hoping Canva will allow original developers to keep working on Affinity and that Canva will not make Affinity oversimplified and browser-based application - this is when they would definitely lose me.

As about pricing, the current pricing model is fine: Perpetual license + pay for major version upgrades. Developers need to eat too. Subscription however would kill the app for me.

Lets see what happens next year. Fingers crossed and hope for the best! 

[William Overington]

10 hours ago, R C-R said:

Because software companies rarely if ever pay for nothing more than ideas about features users would like to see implemented.

Well, large amounts of money have been paid for Affinity.

If Affinity makes money from implementing ideas from its customers, then it seems reasonable that those who suggested the ideas are given some of that money.

What other companies have done before is one thing, this question is about Affinity and the future.

I should have included @Ash in the post when I asked the questions. The questions as follows.

12 hours ago, William Overington said:

Regarding Pledge 4,

Will Affinity publish a statement of the process by which ideas and feedback are assessed please?

If Affinity takes up an idea suggested by an end user and as a result Canva earns more money than it otherwise would have done, will Canva pay any money to the person who suggested the idea?

William

 

So @Ash what are the official Affinity and Canva  answers to these questions please?

William