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Chills reacted to a post in a topic: Linux user base keep growing !
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Linux user base keep growing !
Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
As you say: "there is a few distro agnostic package manage" and "flatpak is usually the most commonly used" This is the problem. For the very many distros there are several, used by most.... So what you are saying is there are multiple packages manages used by some of the very many distros. The point is, although you are saying Linux has grown to 4% there is no one package manager that is going to have anywhere near that 4%. It is this fragmentation that causes more work. That is more money. The costs for doing a Linux version far outweigh any possible income. IF you can get a single distro with over 20% of the market and a guaranteed road map for the next 5 years, then you will have an argument for a Linux version of Affinity. This is commercial reality. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
Tbh, I don't think that's necessarily a problem since software is often packaged as either or both in deb or rpm format and they are interconvertible anyway via Alien. You don't understand the problem. They may "often" use one of two systems but that does not help with getting an app to work on the 100's of different distros. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
That is partly true. The other problem is the fragmented Linux market. BMD Resolve supports ONE and only one Linux Distribution. The problem isn't when Linux hits 40% but when one of these distros hits 40% of the desktop market. That is the problem. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
The problem is that you show Linux as a single thing. It actually looks like the diagram below, and that is only a partial one. Before someone asks about Windows, here it is. Note that all the Linux above also have multiple versions in each line. SO effectively Windows is only the same as two of the Linux Lines above. Ie Desktop and Server. I assume we understand Windows CE or embedded isn't going to be an affinity target. To be fair the Mac OS line in the UNIX family tree will also look a bit like the Windows one below though less so. Whilst Apple has changed CPU they only tend to support one at a time and unlike Windows backwards compatibility, Apple only support a very limited number of older versions of the same OS thread. . -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
Since you mention me and attack and miss quote me, I will respond. The problem is you are on a religious crusade. Not a business argument. I have never defended money corporations, monopolies (which there aren't in this argument) against "a non-big monopoly capitalist company" BTW IBM and Intel those well known "non-big monopoly capitalist company" do their own Linux as do several other similar multinationals. I know one of the team that was involved with the Intel one. I have spent 3 decades in critical systems engineering. Including being on several ISO and IEC standard committees. (C and C++ in particular). I have had to do large scale project analysis for projects in $ multi-millions (also some in the £100's Ks). This is for projects that have had a 30+ years life in the field (without patches). In fact, today I discovered one of my projects from 1998 is being retired over the next 2 years. I know the costs and practicality of developing software. Also, one of my qualifications (BSc.Hons.) is in operating systems. I have delved into the depths of both UNIX and Linux, among other OS and RTOS.(Linux like UNIX and Windows aren't real time) I have also seen the results of static analysis on various Linux and the kernel. I know how they work. I have also worked with (still do on consultancy basis) for a high-end company that does support Linux. "A nightmare" is the politest thing they say about it. They also charge an additional Linux support line item on the invoice. I had a recent discussion with them about the 4 Ring Levels on Intel processors and the problems with Linux being monolithic is everything has access to Ring 0 making it inherently insecure. Whereas microkernels put drivers in Ring 1 and apps in Ring3. This is not relevant to this discussion about Linux and Affinity, but I assume all you Linux geeks understand it. My reasons for explaining why a Linux version of Affinity is not going to happen are the cold hard technical and commercial reasons. That is commercial for Affinity. You can get paid for Linux and free UNIX, most PC's come with a "free" windows (in that it is pre-installed and included in the price) and on Apple you don't get the choice of OS anyway. So it is nothing to do with if you pay for the OS or get the OS free. It is simply that, commercially, it does not make any sense for Affinity to support Linux. I have tried to explain why Linux, as it is, is not a good bet commercially for Affinity but none of you like that. However, those are the reasons why you won't see Affinity on Linux. As much as you may all be riding the FOSS express, Affinity are a commercial company. Someone has to pay the staff, the electricity bill, the rent of the building and the constant cost of upgrading computers. Affinity doing Linux is first, last, and in the middle a purely commercial business decision for them. Money in has to exceed money out it is that simple. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
What a pointless remark, and communicated in a way most will not understand. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
On a factual point, you are wrong. Having spent 30 years in critical systems, whilst it runs web servers Linux is not used in critical systems, in fact 178C and 61508 prohibit it. Second factually, and most non-technical people make this mistake, Linux is NOT a UNIX. Linux and UNIX are both POSIX API OS there are dozens of POSIX API OS and RTOS out there that are architecturally very different., What you are suggesting is that a Bentley Continental and a model T-Ford are the same bcause they both have 4 wheels and are painted black. BTX I do know a couple of critical systems using Linux, but that is because they have done very heavy static and dynamic testing of the source, and it is a much modified Linux that is not publicly available. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
Millions will continue to use Win10. I know many still using XP and Win7 for some applications. For many, there is no need to move to Win11 However, I do remember a similar hysteria from the Linux people when you could not upgrade most older computers from Win95 to XP Weren't the drivers different? Some hardware simply did not get new XP drivers. Yes Linux was going to rule the world, but it didn't. For really large companies and governments, MS will continue Win10 support for some years to come, though they don't publicize this. However, these EOL dates were flagged a LONG time ago, and most companies will have long ago upgraded to Win11 compatible computers as part of their normal planned, staged, upgrade cycles. For those in business, computers are tax-deductible over 1 or 2 years anyway. So you are talking about a very few people not in business, who don't have Win11 compatible PC's who don't want to stay on Win 10 This is a fairly small number. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
Your argument starts with personal insults and them waffle. Nothing solid. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
That is why I moved form Adobe. However, this does not mean anyone is going to jump OS if there are other tools available on their current OS, which there are. -
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
I have heard this every couple of years for the last 30 about Linux. It never happens. At the moment Linux use is at one of its occasional peaks. Unless usage at least doubles from its current high it is not anything new and no one is going to get excited about it. However you need to be on Rocky Linux as that is the one the professionals are using. Not all Linux are the same as I am sure you know. Rocky is somewhat different to other distributions in the way it works. This is part of the problem. Linux, as small a market as it is, is itself very fractured. You need to sort out the inter Linux problems so you don't need anything like Flatpak before anyone commercial is going to look at it. -
Chills reacted to a post in a topic: Please consider Linux as a viable platform - Microsoft is bleeding users to Linux because of their choices.
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Chills reacted to a post in a topic: Please consider Linux as a viable platform - Microsoft is bleeding users to Linux because of their choices.
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I agree. My point was why Rocky is so widely used by professional VFX people despite it being a very minor distro in the global Linux world. The thing is 99.999% of professionals don't care what the OS on the computer is. They care about the professional apps on the computer. Printers and graphics places use professional apps and hardware that only have Widows and OSX drivers. Some of my printers, scanners, and other hardware don't have Linux drivers available for them. Some software only has Codecs on Windows and mac. This is one of the problems. So even if some of the very small share of the market wants Affinity on Linux the professionals won't be going there.
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This is not a surprise. BMD only supplied Resolve on CentOS and now only on Rocky. So that is what the Studios will use. BTW the studios are not interested in Linux per se. They just used the platform the tools were supplied on. When Resolve was over $1/4 million a seat it came supplied on a computer with an OS so that is what the studios used. Had it been supplied on BSD UNIX, MAC OS7 or Windows, that is what the studios would have used. As it was, they used a custom Linux. Rocky is somewhat different internally to other Linux. So if Affinity go for Rocky are you all happy to move to Rocky Linux? When I started on Linux I used SUSE as that was going to take over the world and at the time was bigger (in % of market not actual user numbers) than Ubuntu is now. This is the problem the "leading" Linux now could disappear in a year or three, As indeed CentOS did BTW despite the title of this thread, MS Window's is not "bleeding users" to Linux on the desktop. However, Apple is loosing users to Windows in the graphics and video areas, partly due to Apple and partly due to Adobe subscription. Whilst the new M Macs are amazing, they have problems. Also, Apple F'ed up the Pro when it went to the Trash-can design and the last x86 Pro after that was too little, too late, far too expensive and info on the Arm MACs had already been leaked. Many noted, as I did, that for the cost of the last entry level x86 Pro you could get a PC that performed, all day, at 4 times the performance, I still have a MAC pro and several Macbook Pro's (for outside broadcast) but most work is now on Windows PC's. I do have a couple of Linux machines too, but they are custom Linux.
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Chills reacted to a post in a topic: Please consider Linux as a viable platform - Microsoft is bleeding users to Linux because of their choices.
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Chills reacted to a post in a topic: Please consider Linux as a viable platform - Microsoft is bleeding users to Linux because of their choices.
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Chills replied to Wanesty's topic in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
Is this of any use? It is "Install Affinity apps (Designer / Photo) on Debian Linux"