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3 minutes ago, FidgetyJester said:

If you already bought Affinity then will you have to buy it again when 2.0 comes out? If you do then will it be discounted price for people who already bought it, or will it be free for everyone who already bought it? Or do you have no idea how it'll go when 2.0 comes out?

What we know is that Affinity has said version 2.0.0 will cost money, we do not know how much nor whether there will be a discount or a grace period.

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We also have no idea when 2.0 will happen. It could be next year sometime, or in two years, or five, or ?

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In addition to the answers above, I think it’s also worth saying that no-one has to upgrade to 2.x if they can’t or don’t need/want to.

1.x will continue to work (without further payment to Serif) until you upgrade/change your hardware/OS to a configuration that is no longer compatible with the software.

If the last 1.x version (before 2.x comes out) does all that you need it to then you can keep using it – as long as your hardware/OS supports it – without having to pay to upgrade to 2.x.

You won’t get any more fixes to the 1.x software, or new functionality, if you don’t upgrade to 2.x, but if 1.x does the job you need it to do then you don’t need to upgrade; it’s your choice.

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33 minutes ago, GarryP said:

You won’t get any more fixes to the 1.x software

Are you sure all known bugs will be fixed by version 2? With such a rate of bug fixing as today, it will take at least 5 years or more. Each stable release of version 1.x is essentially the best of the beta, but still remains a beta. I bought a set of programs on January, vers. 1.8.5. Since then, two or three stable releases 1.9.2 and 1.10.0, 1.10.4 have been released, and the main underlying bugs have not been fixed. I reported about 20 of them. It is a pity to write such, but so it is.

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1 minute ago, GarryP said:

I said, in a slightly different way, that the 1.x software probably won’t get any fixes once 2.x come out.

Before 2.x come out, version 1.x must be fixed and really stable. But this probably will not happen. Version 1 will remain working, but with bugs. It is my opinion.

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9 minutes ago, anto said:

Version 1 will remain working, but with bugs. It is my opinion.

It’s also my opinion. And clearly Garry’s opinion, too:

14 minutes ago, GarryP said:

the 1.x software probably won’t get any fixes once 2.x come out

 

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1 minute ago, Hens said:

There will always be bugs
If a developer adds a new feature(code),what everybody wants, it will always impact another part of the code which wasn't foreseen.

Yes, but new bugs can create known, and not fixed bugs. Problem is here.

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17 minutes ago, anto said:

Before 2.x come out, version 1.x must be fixed and really stable. But this probably will not happen. Version 1 will remain working, but with bugs. It is my opinion.

Just want to clarify, do you expect Serif to have all the bugs fixed when they release 2.0? If so I'm going guess no one will be able to afford it. Why? They would have the only software in history with zero bugs in a version 2.0 release. Something that's never been done. So they could demand a premium for it.

Now comparatively, what version is PhotoShop, or CorelDraw on? Certainly there are no bugs in them by now... 😉

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36 minutes ago, Ron P. said:

Just want to clarify, do you expect Serif to have all the bugs fixed when they release 2.0? If so I'm going guess no one will be able to afford it. Why? They would have the only software in history with zero bugs in a version 2.0 release. Something that's never been done. So they could demand a premium for it.

Now comparatively, what version is PhotoShop, or CorelDraw on? Certainly there are no bugs in them by now... 😉

Any software must be high quality from the beginning. Even simple program, but high quality. And mistakes should be corrected as they come in, not accumulate. Because later, it leads to an explosion. This is not even discussed. This is an axiom.

Will Serif correct all the bugs? Of course not. There are two reasons: a small staff or users will buy next version because they will hope that the mistakes will be fixed.

It remains a mystery why known bugs found in the beta versions of the programs before were ignored, and not corrected in the final releases when users reported them. And now they have led to hundreds of bugs.

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2 hours ago, anto said:

Any software must be high quality from the beginning

Tell that to Microsoft. Windows: bringing you bugs and gaping security holes for decades. Tell that to Adobe: endless bugs and security holes in Acrobat and the now-discontinued Flash. Etc.

2 hours ago, anto said:

And mistakes should be corrected as they come in, not accumulate.

Perhaps you have never done software development? Some bugs are 'edge cases', which only appear in unusual circumstances and most people would never see them. Other bugs affect more people or are more serious. It is very normal to make the next release of abc software a bug fix version.

Continually rolling out updates leads to very unstable systems. If Affinity fixed 2 bugs a day, making 2 releases a day, would you patch your system 2 times a day? You would spend more time updating your system than doing any work.

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2 hours ago, anto said:

It remains a mystery why known bugs found in the beta versions of the programs before were ignored, and not corrected in the final releases when users reported them. And now they have led to hundreds of bugs.

Some issues that arise in a beta may not actually be related to the work being prioritized for that release, meaning that they will be triaged to be explored and addressed in a future update. While I've been watching the 1.10.x release (and subsequent patch releases) closely, I'm curious as to what known bugs were found in the beta that have now directly "lead to hundreds of bugs"? I'm not saying there aren't bugs in the recent releases, but I think it's important to accurately depict the state of the releases in order to better understand and prioritize the outstanding issues.

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24 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

Tell that to Microsoft. Windows: bringing you bugs and gaping security holes for decades. Tell that to Adobe: endless bugs and security holes in Acrobat and the now-discontinued Flash. Etc.

As for Microsoft, I use Windows only because my work is related to video-photo-audio. I have been using Linux for over 10 years, and I prefer Linux.

24 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

Continually rolling out updates leads to very unstable systems. If Affinity fixed 2 bugs a day, making 2 releases a day, would you patch your system 2 times a day?

Better to fix some bugs every week, because there are over hundred known errors not fixed. A little but confident.

16 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said:

I'm curious as to what known bugs were found in the beta that have now directly "lead to hundreds of bugs"

None in the latest beta, but known bugs. And you want to tell that release 1.10.4 is stable? I think it still a beta.

 

16 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said:

meaning that they will be triaged to be explored and addressed in a future update.

"Future updates" was at least 3, but some known not solved bugs, last from 2018.

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15 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

We also have no idea when 2.0 will happen. It could be next year sometime, or in two years, or five, or ?

The release date of version 2.x has long been given, and it is fast approaching :-)

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

All this talk of bugs has nothing to do with the original topic.

As they say in the Affinity Forum Guidelines "Please keep conversations on topic" :-) 

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The question bigger than that of price is what features will be in APhoto version 2.0 that would make it worth buying?

I've not seen any information from Serif as to how APhoto version 2.0 might be a significant improvement over the current version. In the forums I've read lots of wishful thinking by those hoping that the developers might someday turn their attention to design deficiencies and bugs that have existed for half a decade.

After 4 years and 17 releases of bug fixes, the problems I've had since buying the software on 10/30/2017 persist. I understand that some high end features I'll never have use for have been added and that Serif's focus is now on desktop publishing on the Mac and not on photo editing for enthusiasts. So, if version 2.0 ever comes out my first question will be: What's in it for me? 

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20 hours ago, Granddaddy said:

I understand that some high end features I'll never have use for have been added and that Serif's focus is now on desktop publishing on the Mac and not on photo editing for enthusiasts.

According to . . .???   


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23 hours ago, Granddaddy said:

So, if version 2.0 ever comes out my first question will be: What's in it for me? 

That's a reasonable approach to any software update. I looked at macOS Monterey and saw not a lot, as I did with Big Sur. No doubt for other people it will be the bestest version of macOS ever and everything they ever wanted from Apple. 

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On 11/5/2021 at 10:21 AM, GarryP said:

no-one has to upgrade to 2.x if they can’t or don’t need/want to

True, but please bear in mind that upgrades are sometimes necessary because people around you are updating and you are sharing files with them. Some people, unfortunately, are only happy when they have the very latest - regardless of whether they need it or not. We've all had that experience with software from California, Washington and elsewhere.

On the other hand, I will probably update to version 2.0 immediately. I have clients who will. Furthermore I like what Affinity does and the products are not really expensive, especially in comparison. 

Side note, independent of the quote: If version 2.0 costs money at some point, no one should complain about it after years of free updates.
 

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42 minutes ago, Optische Ausrichtung said:

If version 2.0 costs money at some point, no one should complain about it after years of free updates

I like Affinity apps too. But I think that versions 1.x are still in beta, that's why price cannot be high. Imagine that you had to pay for new updates (1.10.0, 1.10.4) which broke all your work. I think Serif this understands, and version 2 will be really stable and will cost.

I use software for radio station. It works 24/7. Could you imagine that program crash each hour/day/week? I pay money and have guarantee that the program will work.

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1 hour ago, Optische Ausrichtung said:

upgrades are sometimes necessary

But each user is free to choose according to their needs and their requirements, whether he really needs an upgrade or just wants to have software maintained again for several years. For some other products, he doesn't have that freedom - if he wants to use it, he has to pay, even though he's not interested in the alleged new improvements at all.

The problem with compatibility between collaborators can be solved by exporting to standard formats (although awkward, but if you need to save at all costs :-)

 

1 hour ago, Optische Ausrichtung said:

If version 2.0 costs money at some point, no one should complain about it after years of free updates.

I bought ADesigner and APhoto in December 2016 for 39.99€, ie about 8€ per year (and until the release of version 2.x it will still decrease). So I won't hesitate for a second after the release of 2.x :-)

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