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At one point it seemed like the whole graphic design/digital art world was jumping on team Affinity right before PS got Ai generative fill and Affinity had all the momentum. BUT, now there’s been an exponential shift towards adding some kind of AI to software apps that it just simply cannot be ignored. (I believe Adobe was actually concerned about seeing their users dropping them for Affinity at one point and jumped into coming up with something to stop this momentum so they released the first gen of ai fill). Luminar marketing has always kept them afloat by repackaging their app and adding things like AI Enhance which is nothing more than an auto correct on steroids. Then they kept building on it and added more AI tools. So point is we have arrived in the AI era and implementing it is unavoidable to stay relevant. I’m actually okay with Affinity not having AI tools right now in 2023 but they could at least make it a mission to overhaul the app after almost 10 years of no true major enhancements to the tools already there? How about a better quick select tool (it’s okay but could be better- auto select foreground, body, subject comes to mind) better Raw development, adding the tools to Designer that it still needs to be competitive (blend tool, auto trace-even free and cheap apps now offer some sort of tracing), a complete overhaul of the brushes engine to import PS brushes with more their setting. Add more options to the FX panel with also more settings or most that matter, like the bevel settings, contour options for better text effects, pattern overlay for a strong complete package of  text effects, a better blend settings UI, and so much more. So DON’T add AI for now but please make the app better in areas that it could be improved upon.

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16 minutes ago, evtonic3 said:

... a complete overhaul of the brushes engine to import PS brushes with all the settings or most that matter, like the bevel settings, contour options for better text effects, pattern overlay for a strong complete package of  text effects, a better blend settings UI, and so much more. So DON’T add AI for now but please make the app better in areas that it could be improved upon.

I generally agree as Affinity can't work on everything and if I need AI gen fill I can find it for free just as I use InkScape for autotrace. I'm assuming that since Affinity is already doing extensions/scripting support then AI will indirectly become available from that effort.

I just wish Affinity could focus on the defect backlog. I would become so much more productive if my defects would ever be fixed. I'm happy to see it seems they are spending some quality time with Publisher based on the number of fixes I see, but a lot of old bugs everywhere else could really use some attention.

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People frequently complain that Serif never announces future directions for the Affinity Suite. This turns out not to always be the case.

Quoting from the interview mentioned above by @tzvi20 that was published on 9/30/2023 in "Real Sound"

Ashley: We plan to release 2.3 by the end of the year. We cannot tell you about the specific functions that will be implemented at this time, but we are planning to provide a "cloud service" as a function that will be implemented in the future, which will allow us to share tool assets, color palettes, etc. across devices. It will be.

Additionally, there is a function using AI that we plan to implement in the future. In fact, we've been working on this for the past two years with a team dedicated to AI, and we're starting to see some features that we're excited about. I'm sure it will be a great product that will surprise all users.

We believe that we will be able to make some kind of announcement about either feature in the next 3 to 6 months. please expect to have fun and wait.

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3 minutes ago, Granddaddy said:

People frequently complain that Serif never announces future directions for the Affinity Suite. This turns out not to always be the case.

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They need to better interact with the community through social media. They could really create excitement about their products if they did so. Many creators on YT quit promoting Affinity over the last couple of years citing specifically the lack of communication from Affinity and no future vision.

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1 hour ago, CM0 said:

They need to better interact with the community through social media. They could really create excitement about their products if they did so. 

Yes, but they also could create disappointment dissatisfaction, & hostility toward the company if for one reason or another something they said they were working on was not implemented in in their products at all or as quickly as people hoped for.

They also should not reveal too much about their plans to their competitors for what should be obvious reasons.

This is something all software companies have to be careful about.

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16 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Yes, but they also could create disappointment dissatisfaction, & hostility toward the company if for one reason or another something they said they were working on was not implemented in in their products at all or as quickly as people hoped for.

They also should not reveal too much about their plans to their competitors for what should be obvious reasons.

This is something all software companies have to be careful about.

We can assume some level of competence in how to approach information sharing. Many companies do this just fine.

I do believe the new shorter iterations are at least a positive improvement. It allows for more input from the community before features are finalized in the release and quicker turnaround for issues to be addressed. It feels like Affinity is more in touch with the users with this approach and hopefully will continue with such process improvements.

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4 minutes ago, CM0 said:

We can assume some level of competence in how to approach information sharing.

Assume what level of competency & by whom? Years ago Serif quit publishing 'road maps' for feature improvements to Affinity precisely because too many users interpreted them as promises that items they mentioned would be implemented quickly & exactly how various users wanted/expected them to be, even when there was no consensus about that.

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13 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Assume what level of competency & by whom? Years ago Serif quit publishing 'road maps'  ...

And yet they have just revealed two major items. AI ,scripting and other small details mostly to the praise of everyone. No matter what your complaint is about a company, that complaint comes with the assumption they can improve. I've worked in the tech industry for decades and have seen many decisions by executive management that later were reverted because it didn't work out as intended. Options are not simply binary choices.

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1 minute ago, CM0 said:

And yet they have just revealed two major items. AI ,scripting and other small details mostly to the praise of everyone.

But what has Ash actually revealed about their AI plans, other than there should be some news about that & (maybe?) the cloud server thing in the next 3 to 6 months? They have said nothing one way or the other about whether this will include, be limited to, or otherwise feature anything using generative fill capabilities, or any of the many other possible uses of AI that users may want or expect that to include like 'smart' auto-tracing of bitmap images, AI assisted naming or identifying of objects, or who knows what else.

There is even less known about their plans for scripting or when we might expect to see it in a beta version.

All we really know is they are working on these things, but we have known that about many if not most of them for years.

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10 minutes ago, R C-R said:

There is even less known about their plans for scripting

There is an entire thread on scripting with demos.

 

10 minutes ago, R C-R said:

we have known that about many if not most of them for years.

No we haven't

BTW, you were previously complaining about revealing too much and now complaining about too little. :)

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3 hours ago, Granddaddy said:

People frequently complain that Serif never announces future directions for the Affinity Suite. This turns out not to always be the case.

Quoting from the interview mentioned above by @tzvi20 that was published on 9/30/2023 in "Real Sound"

Ashley: We plan to release 2.3 by the end of the year. We cannot tell you about the specific functions that will be implemented at this time, but we are planning to provide a "cloud service" as a function that will be implemented in the future, which will allow us to share tool assets, color palettes, etc. across devices. It will be.

Additionally, there is a function using AI that we plan to implement in the future. In fact, we've been working on this for the past two years with a team dedicated to AI, and we're starting to see some features that we're excited about. I'm sure it will be a great product that will surprise all users.

We believe that we will be able to make some kind of announcement about either feature in the next 3 to 6 months. please expect to have fun and wait.

Got a link to the article? Interesting!

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4 minutes ago, CM0 said:

There is an entire thread on scripting with demos.

Do you have a link for that? I have not seen anything about it.

4 minutes ago, CM0 said:

No we haven't

What specifically have we not known about them working on for years? Scripting support was first mentioned at least 4 years ago when they mentioned that they had not at that time decided what scripting language it would be based on.

8 minutes ago, CM0 said:

BTW, you were previously complaining about revealing too much and now complaining about too little. :)

I am not complaining about anything, just reiterating what they have said in the past about the reasons they do not discuss any specifics about their plans for the future.

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6 minutes ago, Frozen Death Knight said:

Got a link to the article? Interesting!

https://realsound.jp/tech/2023/09/post-1446012_2.html 

Note that it is in Japanese. Someone posted a translated PDF version but I can't find the link to the post that has it at the moment.

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The way I see it, scripting is going to be the best solution for implementing AI features. It would open the door to a lot of new possibilities for 3rd parties to utilise the Affinity ecosystem. Still, AI features are something the devs should definitely consider adding in on their own as well, since there is going to be enough demand for it in the coming years. As of now it is not going to be a make or break deal, since there are a lot of alternatives out there that can be used over what the likes of Adobe have to offer while keeping Affinity as the main place for editing images. It's important to have a plan for the coming future.

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On 11/14/2023 at 7:13 PM, CM0 said:

And yet they have just revealed two major items. AI ,scripting and other small details mostly to the praise of everyone. No matter what your complaint is about a company, that complaint comes with the assumption they can improve. I've worked in the tech industry for decades and have seen many decisions by executive management that later were reverted because it didn't work out as intended. Options are not simply binary choices.

I think the argument about the old road maps is kind of redundant at this point, yes. Serif's approach to announcing features and changes in V2 are much different from when they decided to scrap the road maps. We may no longer have a road map, but the transparency around development is a night and day difference, and for the better I would say.

The only thing I do wish they could do better is announcements done through articles like the one linked by R-C-R. It's not the first time I have read interesting announcements they've done in some article that I had to search up myself through a search engine. Their X/Twitter and YouTube accounts also have made interesting announcements which at least have been a bit easier to find. I hope they keep improving their communication channels, since I think they've been moving in a good direction as of late.

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15 minutes ago, Frozen Death Knight said:

 ... but the transparency around development is a night and day difference, and for the better I would say. ...

Yes, that was exactly the point I made above in another post. The new smaller iterative development is a very welcomed change. More interactive with the community of users. And yes, my same observation on the announcements as well. Would be great if they would post on social media.

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The link about scripting support makes it very clear that the demo is not how the Affinity suite will run scripts and plugins; that it is "all VERY early, like pre-pre-pre-alpha," there is not even any timescale for its release, & so on.

So about the only thing newish that is revealed about it is that in its 'pre-alpha' state it can run Javascript code. Better than nothing I suppose but the demos don't reveal anything specific about what we will actually be able to do with scripting when it finally makes it into Affinity, or how long we will have to wait for that.

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6 minutes ago, R C-R said:

So about the only thing newish that is revealed about it is that in its 'pre-alpha' state it can run Javascript code. 

I mean that is an extremely minimized view of the significance of that post. It is huge reveal that there is a concrete implementation in progress using a modern JS engine. That communication and demos were sufficient and very well received if you follow the rest of that thread. There is no need for a timescale for its release. Showing progress is far more effective than anything else they could ever post and the solicitation of feedback in that thread was very welcomed.

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1 hour ago, Frozen Death Knight said:

Got a link to the article? Interesting!

It's a post a few above mine but it's getting lost in the chatter. The PDF of the translation is at

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/186676-ai-generative-fill-in-affinity/&do=findComment&comment=1144217

 

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 I would guess that these things would come in 2.5. The demos were from the end of march. So presumably they are a lot closer to releasing it for beta than you think. 2.5 would make sense although not guaranteed because that would be in around 5-6 months from now if every if 2.4 is 2 months also like 2.3 and so on.

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58 minutes ago, CM0 said:

Showing progress is far more effective than anything else they could ever post and the solicitation of feedback in that thread was very welcomed.

Effective at doing what specifically? All they have said is they are working on what is still an early pre-alpha version & had to reiterate in several replies that they cannot even promise that any of the things demonstrated or requested will make it into a beta or retail version.

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31 minutes ago, Granddaddy said:

It's a post a few above mine but it's getting lost in the chatter. The PDF of the translation is at

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/186676-ai-generative-fill-in-affinity/&do=findComment&comment=1144217

 

So to summarise:

- Because of the growth of the Japanese market for Affinity the devs are now working on "vertical writing" and "ruby" to support Eastern languages. Good news for a lot of people I think.

- A cloud service to be able to easily switch between platforms and keep all your work assets. Will help with a steady revenue stream and I personally think is a reasonable way of monetising the Affinity platform without backing away from comitting to perpetual licenses.

- AI functionality has been worked on for 2 years, but nothing concrete about what that feature is. Kind of implying that it will be released next year, but that's just my speculation.

- Any of these are highly likely to be officially announced within the next 3-6 months.

So we have some idea of what to expect for 2024. Sounds good to me! :)

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21 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Effective at doing what specifically? All they have said is they are working on what is still an early pre-alpha version & had to reiterate in several replies that they cannot even promise that any of the things demonstrated or requested will make it into a beta or retail version.

Suffice it to say many found value as demonstrated by the responses in the thread. I don't think I can explain any better than I already have. 

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