AI generative Fill in Affinity

[KarinC]

46 minutes ago, Juan Garcia said:

I tend to disagree. Again, if you adapt, like you said, you can use AI as an apprentice and then remove the clues that it has been created by an AI. Since AI doesn't generate anything on its own, as it has to have models that exists I think even stock image photographers will soon sue and AI vendors will have to create a compensation system like streaming services do. 

Your clients will be able to do the work by their own selves. They will not need you anymore. They might produce something that isn't as good as what you can do, but that won't matter. 

I don't remember how many years ago it was, but it was before computers were still out of the reach of most people - late 80's early 90's? I was a very successful free lance medical illustrator with clients from major universities, medical research facilities, pharmaceutical companies. One day I was riding in an elevator to meet with a client. A young fellow passenger asked me what I was doing or did for a living. When I told him he said, with computers in the future you will be out of business.  He seemed quite pleased with himself to inform me of that. I didn't believe him at the time but I have never forgotten that moment. In two years time I was out of business. I adapted but not fast enough. I then became a very successful Flash animator. In an instant hundreds of my animations were vaporized. 

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, Juan Garcia said:

body language

"they"

"we"

[AffinityMakesMeWonder]

6 minutes ago, thomaso said:

"they"

"we"

 

How many of this people will have a job in six month?

This will NOT end well...

[Juan Garcia]

25 minutes ago, KarinC said:

1. Your clients will be able to do the work by their own selves. They will not need you anymore. They might produce something that isn't as good as what you can do, but that won't matter. 
2. I don't remember how many years ago it was, but it was before computers were still out of the reach of most people - late 80's early 90's? I was a very successful free lance medical illustrator with clients from major universities, medical research facilities, pharmaceutical companies. One day I was riding in an elevator to meet with a client. A young fellow passenger asked me what I was doing or did for a living. When I told him he said, with computers in the future you will be out of business.  He seemed quite pleased with himself to inform me of that. I didn't believe him at the time but I have never forgotten that moment. In two years time I was out of business. I adapted but not fast enough. I then became a very successful Flash animator. In an instant hundreds of my animations were vaporized. 

how about to repackage them with Adobe Animator? 

[Juan Garcia]

8 minutes ago, AffinityMakesMeSad said:

 

How many of this people will have a job in six month?

This will NOT end well...

hopefully a lot of them will be updating their CVs as they call résumés in the UK. 

The story is simple. Contrary to what I thought, they did not have many resources. There were a lot of enthusiasts like us that liked the idea of revelling to Adobe tyranny where we cannot even "read" a document we created the moment we stopped paying except for third party programs that more often than not didn't do a good job except if it was relatively simple. --Nobody really implemented smart objects in PSDs correctly 100%, specially if those objects were PSBs embedded-.

Without AI or features found in other programs, lime morphing or "select subject" that I know it is via AI bit, but have been in Adobe and other software more than 20 years now, not too many investors were willing to give a financial boost for what, I think they think, it is a 90s business model. Investors do not realise that subscriptions are kind of burnt out. But also they do not care. They think the ones with stronger AI will prevail. Adobe is pushing on this. 

Canva uses a subscription model, more suitable to appeal new investors. I think their AI will be simply to implement third party APIs and create a full subscription model for the whole Affinity suite. Maybe even, like Canva themselves, Figma, or others create a multi platform electron app that implement what Affinity already do plus with the new AI APIs. No magic wand here. That's what they are preparing to ship. Forget App Stores, and native apps. 

Canva probably would defend themselves with the "no magic wand" adding the comment "exactly" and that the third party APIs will charge them per execution, so there is no other option at the moment for them. And also they would remind us that except for Apple, not many X64 processors are implementing specific AI processors. Only the very new are coming out now and still local AI will take a while, and investors wants returns now. So Subscriptions for now until privacy concerns comes and then when the market is ready they will start to ship local AI processing. Still via subscription. 

[KarinC]

17 minutes ago, Juan Garcia said:

how about to repackage them with Adobe Animator? 

They were web-based. I saved quite a few of my own by doing screen captures and making them into videos., but they were no longer interactive. I can't afford Adobe, plus they made a mess of Animate. You have to be a high end programmer to use it. The beauty of Flash, at least in the early days was that the programming was simple and logical. I truly miss the early days of Flash. The community was so fun and supportive. 

[Juan Garcia]

44 minutes ago, KarinC said:

Your clients will be able to do the work by their own selves. They will not need you anymore. They might produce something that isn't as good as what you can do, but that won't matter. 

I don't remember how many years ago it was, but it was before computers were still out of the reach of most people - late 80's early 90's? I was a very successful free lance medical illustrator with clients from major universities, medical research facilities, pharmaceutical companies. One day I was riding in an elevator to meet with a client. A young fellow passenger asked me what I was doing or did for a living. When I told him he said, with computers in the future you will be out of business.  He seemed quite pleased with himself to inform me of that. I didn't believe him at the time but I have never forgotten that moment. In two years time I was out of business. I adapted but not fast enough. I then became a very successful Flash animator. In an instant hundreds of my animations were vaporized. 

One thought about AI. I find the notion that you can do "professional" work by just typing on a text box is unrealistic. Generative AI is quite noticeable if you ask it to generate the image from scratch. What I found it useful is to help your work. I will give examples. Let's say you have a photoshoot and in one of the pictures the model's hair was covering something important. The model is gone and you need to either reshoot or give up with that take. With generative AI, with some trial and error, not magic one here either, you can get a perfect effect where the hair seems to be put behind the model's back. Or if you want to open frame. 

Generative AI will be good for students for their powerpoint and I am sure Google will implement something like that in the near future. But since a lot of the model have copyright they will have to pay something to the owners of which the image is based on.

[KarinC]

1 minute ago, Juan Garcia said:

One thought about AI. I find the notion that you can do "professional" work by just typing on a text box is unrealistic. Generative AI is quite noticeable if you ask it to generate the image from scratch. What I found it useful is to help your work. I will give examples. Let's say you have a photoshoot and in one of the pictures the model's hair was covering something important. The model is gone and you need to either reshoot or give up with that take. With generative AI, with some trial and error, not magic one here either, you can get a perfect effect where the hair seems to be put behind the model's back. Or if you want to open frame. 

Generative AI will be good for students for their powerpoint and I am sure Google will implement something like that in the near future. But since a lot of the model have copyright they will have to pay something to the owners of which the image is based on.

Unrealistic right now. Get back to me in a few years or less.

[davide445]

With all the discussion about the Canva acquisition, in my opinion one of the first benefits might be the ready to go availability of AI infrastructure for generative fill.

In the meantime due I want to start working on - and didn't want of course to get an Adobe subscription - I started experimenting with Krita AI diffusion Krita AI Tools and Stable Diffusion Web UI.

These are open source solutions, the Krita plugin easy to use on Windows so to use your local hardware, Web UI easy to setup on a remote server (using like a 3090), perfectly capable in my opinion to get the job done for my experimentation.

 

 

[Juan Garcia]

Screenshot for the new Pixelmator Pro. I really think there's no way Affinity can get there without a subscription. Or just incorporate some tools in Canva and shutdown Affinity

[WMax70]

Although Affinity has merged with Canva and might plans to incorporate AI to gether with Canva, they still have a long way to go to match Adobe's progress.
Adobe has eg FireFly AI, (https://www.adobe.com/nl/products/firefly.html) which allows users to alter parts of images and integrate with Photoshop.
Most impressively, Firefly is continually improving through generated images and text input. Currently, for me it performs better than both Midjourney and Dall-E, making Adobe the dominant frontrunner again in the image creation market. Personally, I am now using Photoshop again since a year and started with Capture One a couple of years ago after Affinty keeps ignoring good color correction options and good raw import. I started to use Photoshop again more intensive while using Affinity less due to its lack of professional progress and strong features like quality raw conversion, precise color correction, options to calibrate with colour corrections cards, good visual masking and AI.
Although I really appreciate Affinity's speed and inutitive setup, it fails to compensate for necessary essential features. 
For me it's not about free from licenses, but speed and essential pro features to enable pro workflows.

 

[nickbatz]

2 hours ago, WMax70 said:

they still have a long way to go to match Adobe's progress

 

To me that's the exact opposite of progress.