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This has been a problem for SO many years and I feel like Affinity are the only apps that are launching this slowly. It effected v1 and now v2 of the apps. It might not seem like a huge problem but it repetitively makes me hesitant to launch an Affinity app unless I need to. And if I'm in a hurry, it makes me want to use something else.

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21 minutes ago, Hoby said:

I feel like Affinity are the only apps that are launching this slowly. It effected v1 and now v2 of the apps. It might not seem like a huge problem but it repetitively makes me hesitant to launch an Affinity app unless I need to. And if I'm in a hurry, it makes me want to use something else.

FWIW, I find this also but when I have to launch Adobe Acrobat Reader…

I have never thought of Affinity's softwares as being specially slow, but indeed for a quick note, I prefer to use Text Edit than Pages or Publisher… 

Affinity Suite 2.3.1 – Monterey 12.7.2 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To

I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue.

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  • 3 weeks later...

This is still so painful when it happens. Everything was fine yesterday, and this morning it all ground to a halt again.

I tried all of the usual tricks (the copy/paste hokey-pokey, restart, etc), but all of the Affinity v2 (purchased directly from Serif) apps (and ONLY the Affinity apps) are still taking 30+ seconds to launch on macOS Ventura 13.6 (M1Pro/32GB).

Serif, your apps are the ONLY apps this happens with. Stop blaming everyone else.

Please. Fix. Your. @*#!. This has been going on for YEARS!

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8 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said:

This is still so painful when it happens. Everything was fine yesterday, and this morning it all ground to a halt again.

I tried all of the usual tricks (the copy/paste hokey-pokey, restart, etc), but all of the Affinity apps (and ONLY the Affinity apps) are still taking 30+ seconds to launch on macOS Ventura 13.6 (M1Pro/32GB).

Serif, your apps are the ONLY apps this happens with. Stop blaming everyone else.

Please. Fix. Your. @*#!. This has been going on for YEARS!

You didn't state -- V1 or V2 apps?

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Just to say this slow-startup is STILL happening in 2023, with Affinity 2.2.1 macOS App Store version

23 seconds on an M2 Max with 32 GB RAM and 1TB SSD

It is bad design to include "web components" in the app, better to keep the app focused on design, and let users go to the website for web stuff like profile and downloads.

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29 minutes ago, tariq said:

It is bad design to include "web components" in the app, better to keep the app focused on design, and let users go to the website for web stuff like profile and downloads.

'Web components' are not the cause of this issue - we believe this first begun when the app was provided as a Universal Install for both 'M' (M1/M2/M3) and Intel based macs in one package.

Please see my previous post regarding this:

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Dear Affinity, I come to a point, whre I am really pissed off now... Since V2 it is slow slow slow on start up, by open fonts, by copy and paste something within the documents.... My time is my money and I cannot work properly right now! What is the F*** problem with V2 Apps??? In V1 all was fine!!! :(

I have this problem on all my 3 windows 10 and 11 notebook and PC systems...

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I am using Affinity Photo on Windows, and TBH, and I am still using v1 because of the sluggishness, even at work where I have access to v2.
Early on I was looking to use v2 for its RAW enhancements, but it was so slow I have given up on it and switched entirely to another RAW developer.

For the rest of photo and image processing, I found I am usually starting v1, not because it's better, but because it's faster and still "good enough" most of the time.

But this is really a pity... I'm writing this because after updating to 2.3, that pain point still hasn't been addressed.

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To illustrate how this continues to be a problem at the end of 2023 and that Serif apps are an anomaly despite similar characteristics to other apps. Please fix this problem with your Affinity suite. Other developers have solved this.

Comparison of launch times for various Universal build apps after a restart on an M1 Mac running Sonoma 14.1.2:

1) iMovie version 10.4
Application package size: 4.99 GB - 6 seconds to open

2) MS outlook version 16.79.3
Application package size: 2.3 GB - 6 seconds to open

3) MS Word version 16.79.2
Application package size: 2.3 GB - 5 seconds to open

4) Affinity Photo version 2.3.0
Application package size: 2.94 GB - 27 seconds to open

5) Affinity Designer version 2.3.0
Application package size: 2.84 GB - 27 seconds to open

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To be fair, there is one other app that at least on Mac that also takes 27 seconds to open: Devinci Resolve 18. But in my experience, that is the only other one.

Most are between 1 and 10 seconds on M1 (Mac) and i7 (Windows) hardware.

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I was having this issue as well on MacOS.   I came across an old post that suggested holding down the CTRL key while right clicking the application icon and selecting `Open`.  After launching this way, then quit and relaunch as normal (e.g. clicking the icon in the dock) This changed my application launch time from ~25 seconds to ~5 seconds.  I have relaunched a few times, and is still fast, not sure if it will revert to being slower again over time.

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4 minutes ago, Odebek said:

I have relaunched a few times, and is still fast, not sure if it will revert to being slower again over time.

Is first launch still fast if you restart your Mac?

All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V23.0 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7
Affinity Photo 
1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7

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I came across a blog post that probably discusses the root cause of this issue: Mac app launches slowed by malware scan

From the post:

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From the spindump I discovered that the slow launches are caused by the syspolicyd process, specifically DispatchQueue "com.apple.security.syspolicy.yara"

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YARA is the name of a tool primarily used in malware research and detection.

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Xcode, Chrome, and Wireshark are very large apps, so it makes sense that a malware scan of them would be slow. However, FileMerge is much smaller, only 2 MB. Why does that take so long? My theory is that syspolicyd also scans the launched app's linked libraries. The command otool -L in Terminal will show them:

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In case you're wondering, Apple hasn't exempted Mac App Store apps from malware scanning, not even its own apps.

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You may remember our friend syspolicyd as the process that phones home to Apple when running unsigned executables.

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 In any case, syspolicyd sucks, and I really wish there were a way to completely disable the malware scanning and allow my apps to always launch quickly.

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I've now confirmed that disabling SIP does indeed eliminate the syspolicyd malware scan. Xcode launches so fast, it's beautiful.

If you use the otool -L terminal command, you can see the Affinity apps link to large amounts of libraries.

I also tried disabling System Integration Protection. When it's turned off, all Affinity apps started after about two bounces. After enabling it again, the apps took over 30 bounces once again.

 

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1 hour ago, Andrew Berth said:

If you use the otool -L terminal command, you can see the Affinity apps link to large amounts of libraries. ...

Yes and add to that large amount of libs also the overall size of some of them ...

lib_size.png.6260db881dcde69d4908184bff856b15.png

I for example usually tend to thin (strip out, lipo) out unneeded binary architectures out of macOS fat binary apps (from all executable code an app has, so also from app internal used libs), in order to gain some occupied disk space back. My own used tools therefor list step for step which mach-o files they are actually processing when performing the task. Thinning liblibpersona.dylib & liblibrastertools.dylib ... takes due to their size some much more and overall most time here for those libs!

So the same as processing libs for thinning, applies also for libs scanning after malware here. The whole takes it's time.

Maybe I should add, that in these unsecure times, letting a system scanning for malware makes more sense than ever. So I won't recommend leaving that processing step out, just for speeding up app startups!

☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan
☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2

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1 hour ago, Andrew Berth said:

I came across a blog post that probably discusses the root cause of this issue: Mac app launches slowed by malware scan

Could be completed by this article to have more details about the processes implied:
https://eclecticlight.co/2023/07/05/how-does-ventura-check-the-security-of-known-apps-and-command-tools/

Affinity Suite 2.3.1 – Monterey 12.7.2 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To

I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue.

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On 2/16/2024 at 11:32 AM, Andrew Berth said:

I also tried disabling System Integration Protection. When it's turned off, all Affinity apps started after about two bounces. After enabling it again, the apps took over 30 bounces once again.

Interesting. Disabling SIP is the first thing I do on any new MacOS installation. Hence I never experience any slow app launches except for the respective very first one.

MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2

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On 9/20/2023 at 9:38 AM, DEMinSoCAL said:

You might want to post this as it's own topic to get a better response because this thread is about STARTUP delays when launching Affinity apps, not slowness when USING the apps.

I just made a post a couple days ago. I had no idea this thread already existed, but I recently got a brand new MacBook and the startup time on Affinity apps is SLOWER than on my 5 year old iMac. What gives?

 

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On 5/12/2023 at 1:38 PM, Dan C said:

The reason it happens every time you restart your mac is that the YARA/Gatekeeper system may have been improved since last time it checked our application, so it does not “save” the fact our application has already been checked. 

I'm not sure of it yet but I have the impression that launching Aff apps is very slow (30 seconds instead of 2-3) the first time  I launch them after XProtect has been updated (according to System Information > Software > Installations - sort by Date) — even when the Mac has not been restarted.

Affinity Suite 2.3.1 – Monterey 12.7.2 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To

I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue.

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56 minutes ago, mliving said:

What utter nonsense.

Fix you apps Affinity.

Did you read the post from a few days ago? 

 

 

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Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases
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    Desktop:  Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 

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