Artsketch Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, PaulEC said: No! If you've already purchased the v1 apps you'll be able to download and install them again. It's just that they are no longer available for new customers to buy. Until next macOS and iPadOS isn't compatible any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tia Lapis Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, Artsketch said: Until next macOS and iPadOS isn't compatible any more Yes but that has been the risk since the first computer. Not like it would be anything new, so I wonder why people are so surprised by it. Quote Mac mini M1 / Ryzen 5600H & RTX3050 mobile / iPad Pro 1st - all with latest non beta release of Affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsketch Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tia Lapis said: Yes but that has been the risk since the first computer. Not like it would be anything new, so I wonder why people are so surprised by it. Yes, but Serif made a big mistake not informing existing users that there would be a 2.0 Version this year without any discount for existing users. Not everybody can be fooled with this 40% nonsense. The reputation damage is much higher than offering symbolic 10-20%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimo Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Artsketch said: Not everybody can be fooled with this 40% nonsense. What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsketch Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jimo said: What are you talking about? keep sleeping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Serif have been saying for ages that v2 was on it's way, this year, and they have also, always, made it clear that it would have to be paid for. Any idea about discounts for existing users is pure wishful thinking by some people, as Serif have also clearly explained why it is impractical to implement. Tia Lapis and Designer1234 2 Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimo Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Tia Lapis said: And to add on this: There is a thing called backup... Indeed. Save installation files to a USB stick or extenral drive, or upload to the cloud. Although we should appreciate that might be difficult when the sky is falling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewInBoston Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 4 hours ago, konbit said: ...and that they'll forever be unavailable on the App Store where I bought them (in case I need to wipe a machine). And you're really surprised by the responses to this fleecing of customers? It literally took me 5 seconds to confirm that it is still possible to download recently purchased apps even if they are not available for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 I paid £29.99 for Photo in Dec 2016. Which I think was v1.4. So, I have have 6 years for free upgrades up to v1.10. If I had Photoshop it would have cost in the region £500 over 6 years. I have spent a lot more than £29.99 on upgrades to Nik Collection. Each time Nik Collection and PhotoLab is upgraded there is a charge of about £65. If I don't want v2 I don't have to buy it but I will because at £35.99 it is a bargain and the updates will be free until at least v3 is released. I'll spend more than that on going to the football and the pub this afternoon. No one should expect any company to give free updates forever based on a single purchase. That's a recipe to go out of business. You might think you are getting free upgrades from Adobe but you are actually paying for them with subscription model. If you buy a car and company bring out a new model you wouldn't expected get it for free. The amount of money we are talking to so small - it's cost me less than £5 a year so far - I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Also they are a British company, the software suits my needs and I am happy to support them. Designer1234 and Torstein 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewInBoston Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, Artsketch said: Yes, but Serif made a big mistake not informing existing users that there would be a 2.0 Version this year without any discount for existing users. Not everybody can be fooled with this 40% nonsense. The reputation damage is much higher than offering symbolic 10-20%. A few people are upset that everyone gets to enjoy a very generous discount. Generous people are happy that everyone gets to enjoy the same discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsketch Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, NewInBoston said: A few people are upset that everyone gets to enjoy a very generous discount. Generous people are happy that everyone gets to enjoy the same discount. They raised the price to fool everybody with 40% and other perpetual discounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csadam Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, PaulEC said: Any idea about discounts for existing users is pure wishful thinking by some people, as Serif have also clearly explained why it is impractical to implement. Are you serious? Have you ever bought software? Giving upgrade possibility is the default for any other software... Affinity is clearly going against the tradition here, and it is totally understandable that the people don't like it. I don't understand why many of you pretend that Affinity is a saint for giving 40% discount. That's a normal Black Friday discount that everyone gives in this month. And if the deal is over, then all existing users can upgrade only for full price. This is total opposite of what everybody experienced with other software so far, and it is a very wrong precedent. Artsketch and NewInBoston 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltop Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, Artsketch said: Yes, but Serif made a big mistake not informing existing users that there would be a 2.0 Version this year without any discount for existing users. Not everybody can be fooled with this 40% nonsense. The reputation damage is much higher than offering symbolic 10-20%. So, you believe that missing out on an imaginary 10 to 20% discount is worth all this racket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewInBoston Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Artsketch said: They raised the price to fool everybody with 40% and other perpetual discounts. "Everybody" i.e the 20 or so extremely squeaky wheels on this forum. If they wanted to fool anyone they would be revoking your forum access as damage control yet here you are 48 hours later, spamming the same complaint not understanding that others simply disagree with you. PaulEC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tia Lapis Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, NewInBoston said: "Everybody" i.e the 20 or so extremely squeaky wheels on this forum. If they wanted to fool anyone they would be revoking your forum access as damage control yet here you are 48 hours later, spamming the same complaint not understanding that others simply disagree with you. He doesn't understand that we have world wide high inflation and ultra high energy costs. Not only Affinity had to rise prices. NewInBoston, garrettm30 and PaulEC 2 1 Quote Mac mini M1 / Ryzen 5600H & RTX3050 mobile / iPad Pro 1st - all with latest non beta release of Affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, csadam said: Are you serious? Have you ever bought software? Giving upgrade possibility is the default for any other software... Affinity is clearly going against the tradition here, and it is totally understandable that the people don't like it. I don't understand why many of you pretend that Affinity is a saint for giving 40% discount. That's a normal Black Friday discount that everyone gives in this month. And if the deal is over, then all existing users can upgrade only for full price. This is total opposite of what everybody experienced with other software so far, and it is a very wrong precedent. Sorry, I'm not going to waste my time repeating the same things that have already been posted several times, that you either can't be bothered to read, or just don't understand! If you don't like it, don't buy it! NewInBoston 1 Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimo Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Artsketch said: They raised the price to fool everybody with 40% and other perpetual discounts. You could have replied with this answer to my post instead of just insulting me. Although when I asked "What are you talking about?" it was a rhetorical question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsketch Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, Jimo said: You could have replied with this answer to my post instead of just insulting me. Although when I asked "What are you talking about?" it was a rhetorical question. Sorry, yes I could but haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tia Lapis Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Guys - No fighting. myclay 1 Quote Mac mini M1 / Ryzen 5600H & RTX3050 mobile / iPad Pro 1st - all with latest non beta release of Affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csadam Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, PaulEC said: Sorry, I'm not going to waste my time repeating the same things that have already been posted several times, that you either can't be bothered to read, or just don't understand! If you don't like it, don't buy it! You don't have to explain anything. The situation is clear. The difference is only how people feel about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debraspicher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, csadam said: Are you serious? Have you ever bought software? Giving upgrade possibility is the default for any other software... Affinity is clearly going against the tradition here, and it is totally understandable that the people don't like it. I don't understand why many of you pretend that Affinity is a saint for giving 40% discount. That's a normal Black Friday discount that everyone gives in this month. And if the deal is over, then all existing users can upgrade only for full price. This is total opposite of what everybody experienced with other software so far, and it is a very wrong precedent. People are not pretending. That's just an insult. Some may not agree with that perspective, it does not mean it is tantamount to a scam. Hence the discussion. The portion in red, I agree with you fully, but as far as we know nobody has said how they are going to approach upgrades going forward once discount period is ended. If they offer no discount, that's going to illicit a surprise for many who find out too late. My opinion, they should just offer an upgrade path via the Affinity store customers to incentivize people to get off the Apple/MS train anyway because it robs developers of a substantial portion of their profits. Apple/MS store is a great introduction, but the best route is always direct developer to customer. However, here's the kicker. The reason they may not want to do that is because they're relying on the shops, Apple in particular, to spotlight them, so I suspect we won't see this happen even if the solution is a feasible one. Which we don't know anyway if it is or not. They've said no so far. I think they'd have to review every offsite purchase manually and the cust would have to provide proof of purchase somehow? Some people are not as tech literate to find/provide receipts and so a penalty on that user. Any solution they provide will be a messy one it seems and may impact their future on those shops if they go too astray. Many developers and creators are dependent on the algorithms. The internet is not remotely as free market as it used to be (long discussion), so they have Apple & MS to contend with on the business side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1234 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Artsketch said: They raised the price to fool everybody with 40% and other perpetual discounts. Who did not raised the prices in recent year of horrendous inflation? I'm not defending Sarif, I have many complains, and I think that AD is overpriced, but AP price seems fine even after that 100% rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1234 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, debraspicher said: The portion in red, I agree with you fully, but as far as we know nobody has said how they are going to approach upgrades going forward once discount period is ended. If they offer no discount, that's going to illicit a surprise for many who find out too late. My opinion, they should just offer an upgrade path via the Affinity store customers to incentivize people to get off the Apple/MS train anyway because it robs developers of a substantial portion of their profits. Apple/MS store is a great introduction, but the best route is always direct developer to customer. And I fully agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, csadam said: The situation is clear. I’m not so sure it is, because people keep forgetting that Serif has already stated that they can’t offer upgrade prices because the app stores where they get a significant portion of their sales do not allow upgrade pricing. So their only choice is to either offer deals on their own shop and not the app stores (which might not be allowed) or offer the same price everywhere. Regardless of what we want, or even what Serif wants, those are the only options. Arguing about any other option is just theoretical, and basically just stokes continued negativity. VectorVonDoom, Markio and PaulEC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsketch Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Designer1234 said: Who did not raised the prices in recent year of horrendous inflation? I'm not defending Sarif, I have many complains, and I think that AD is overpriced, but AP price seems fine even after that 100% rise. Affinity Designer never was overpriced with its unique vector and pixel capabilities in one app. Since 2021 the Apple Pencil works too as it should. VectorVonDoom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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