2.1 GM Build (2.1.0.1799)

[Ash]

2 minutes ago, TonyO said:

See the difference between chrome and affinity. Both have multiple open sessios (a floating window in the case of Affinity). Mac OS grabs one instance of Chrome and restores it, which it picks is a Mac OS secret, but SOMETHING is triggered. In the case of Affinity, no matter how many windows are open, the call to restore to the screen is ignored.

Yeah - it's cool. To be honest this was something we had on the list to investigate for 2.1 but we ran out of time (and wasn't considered as critical as some other fixes). Think the issue was with us adding the ability to have tearable document tabs in V2 which can all be separately minimised, but agree the desired behaviour would be if the main UI is hidden then hitting the icon should bring that back up. Sure we'll have it sorted in 2.2 - and if you are on the beta an update including that might be available quite soon

[Rick G]

Thank you. I unchecked it

The original problem is. IF that is checked then it stops the update

It shouldn't

The update process should trap that (close and save all files?) or something like that

Thanks

[R C-R]

17 minutes ago, TonyO said:

Designer 2 shows the floating pallet but won't restore the app window, there is no use for this function in normal workflow. 

As I mentioned above, I think this is the result of long requested feature of adding the documents to the Window menu, & some users wanted that because they wanted to be able to open a different document or create a new one without having to minimize again any that previously were minimized. So it is at least for some a useful function in some of their normal workflows.

BTW, please keep in mind that the app can have many different windows, some minimized & some not, including both document & panel types.

[TonyO]

Thanks for the confirmation of my insanity @Ash, haha sorry to spam the thread!

You guys are much appreciated!

[R C-R]

5 minutes ago, Ash said:

... but agree the desired behaviour would be if the main UI is hidden then hitting the icon should bring that back up.

Please consider my earlier comment that in some workflows it would be really annoying if all the minimized document windows were maximized when clicking on the app's Dock icon. Also consider that on Macs some users (myself included) like to reduce Dock clutter by minimizing into the Dock's icon rather than separately as Dock icons, so in that case if there are a lot of open doc windows, a right-click or long click on the app's icon will pop up a list of all the minimized ones so they can be maximized separately as needed.

TL;DR: please consider that what might be desired when there are lots of open/minimized documents quite possibly is not the same as when there are just one or a few.

[TonyO]

4 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Please consider my earlier comment that in some workflows it would be really annoying if all the minimized document windows were maximized when clicking on the app's Dock icon.

Yeesh, this would be even more annoying with the current functionality. If designer 2 minimizes to the dock icon, there isn't even a thumbnail to click on to restore it. So the ONLY way to restore the app would be to right click on the dock icon, and select the window from the right click menu, that's incredibly inefficient. This idea reinforces my original point even more, haha. 

 

4 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Please consider my earlier comment that in some workflows it would be really annoying if all the minimized document windows were maximized

To this point, this isn't normal MacOS behavior to ever restore all open windows on dock icon click. MacOS selects one open window (likely the first opened, or the most recently minimized) and restores that window. No app ever restores all windows on dock icon click, i agree that would be really irritating. 

[walt.farrell]

18 hours ago, Rick G said:

There IS a default document and it looks like this

That is not a default document

 

17 hours ago, Rick G said:

Seriously? I told you: it is there every time I open it. I don't start a new document

Something is not right and we are arguing over terminology

Ok it's not a default document

It is just something that appears when I open the bets

It is the File > New dialog, and it's there because you have "Show on Startup" checked at the bottom of the dialog. It's what replaced the Welcome Screen in V2.

And it does not stop the update from happening, at least on Windows.

[R C-R]

13 minutes ago, TonyO said:

If designer 2 minimizes to the dock icon, there isn't even a thumbnail to click on to restore it. So the ONLY way to restore the app would be to right click on the dock icon, and select the window from the right click menu, that's incredibly inefficient.

The app itself doesn't need to be 'restored' because it is still open & running. It is only the minimized document windows that if desired need to be 'restored' & that can be done selectively from the Dock by right-clicking & choosing any of the minimized ones, which are marked with a black diamond shaped icon to the left of their name. This is also how minimized doc windows displayed in the V2 Window menu, so they can selectively be maximized from there as well.

[R C-R]

2 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

And it does not stop the update from happening, at least on Windows.

As I said, AFAIK, it does not stop it on Macs either, or at least on mine.

[TonyO]

@R C-RYes, this is literally exactly what i meant. Exact phrasing aside. 

[R C-R]

1 minute ago, TonyO said:

@R C-RYes, this is literally exactly what i meant. Exact phrasing aside. 

But contrary to what you wrote, there are two ways to 'restore' (maximize) a minimized doc window in V2. There just is not, AFAIK, a way to maximize multiple minimized ones at the same time. But at least for some of us this ability to selectively maximize just one (or none!!!) is a welcome new feature; whereas if all were maximized when we did not want that it would be extremely inefficient & annoying!

[Ash]

Lets talk about all this in 2.2 beta

[Benfischer]

4 hours ago, TonyO said:

I don't think that's related.

Normal MacOS behavior for multiple open documents on a single app is to restore one of the open sessions as seen on the top of the app-icon right-click list. In true Mac OS fashion, the window that the OS selects to restore appears to be a bit random, but in the case of Affinity 2 apps, the call to restore an arbitrary open window to the screen on app-icon click is being ignored by the OS.  

See the difference between chrome and affinity. Both have multiple open sessios (a floating window in the case of Affinity). Mac OS grabs one instance of Chrome and restores it, which it picks is a Mac OS secret, but SOMETHING is triggered. In the case of Affinity, no matter how many windows are open, the call to restore to the screen is ignored.

This function is engrained in the OS, it's likely just a line of code missed somewhere. Perhaps all users experience this?

That’s annoying to me too, but I see it on multiple apps. I thought that it was fixed in one of the major os releases a while back but then it started happening again.  If the windows opened in V1 then it’s worth requesting in V2 but it does feel like a Mac thing. 

[R C-R]

7 minutes ago, Benfischer said:

That’s annoying to me too, but I see it on multiple apps.

Which apps? Any besides the Affinity ones?

[michael_o]

10 hours ago, tudor said:

When are you going to start fixing old, v1 bugs that are still lingering in v2.1?

Which they are?

[Rick G]

3 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

It is the File > New Disney, and it's there because you have "Show on Startup" checked at the bottom of the dialog. It's what replaced the Welcome Screen in V2.

And it does not stop the update from happening, at least on Windows.

Um Walt ... as I said in my bug report ...yes it DOES stop the update

I am done with this nit picking. A forum should be a free exchange of ideas;  bug reports in this case, but nitpicking to the point of absurdity is probably the reason that Affinity is spipping  on several fronts

[carl123]

8 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

It is the File > New Disney, and it's there because you have "Show on Startup" checked at the bottom of the dialog. It's what replaced the Welcome Screen in V2.

And it does not stop the update from happening, at least on Windows.

 

8 hours ago, R C-R said:

As I said, AFAIK, it does not stop it on Macs either, or at least on mine.

 

It pauses the update for me (half way through) but it's just the standard "Windows" message saying an app needs closing before updating. Not unique to Affinity apps and nothing I would (personally) worry about. (Screenshot below)

(Windows 11)

 

52 minutes ago, Rick G said:

I am done with this nit picking. A forum should be a free exchange of ideas;  bug reports in this case,

It's not nit picking, it's a free exchange of ideas from other users detailing what they see in an effort to understand what you see. Where possible, in the future, please upload the "error" screenshots to further help in this respect

[R C-R]

7 minutes ago, anto said:

It's a problem for me too, but at first I thought it was Mac's behavior until I saw your video and the comments about the dock not working properly in Mac with Affinity.

For me, the only thing not working the way I personally would prefer in V2 regarding the Dock is that a right-click on the app's icon when the app is not running does not pop up a list of recently opened documents like V1 does. I personally like that clicking on the app's Dock icon in v2 does not reopen (maximize) any document's window I have minimized, but maybe that is just me, although IIRC a few others have mentioned something similar when we finally got V2's feature to list all open docs in the Window menu, which is more or less standard behavior for the Window menu for Mac apps.

[Sonny Sonny]

So when could we get the stable release of v2.1?

[Ash]

4 hours ago, Sonny Sonny said:

So when could we get the stable release of v2.1?

We expect this week...

[Ash]

Hi All - we have just pushed an update to the macOS GM build 

 

[Ptujec]

20 hours ago, TonyO said:

Can this be a last minute bug fix? haha, thanks!!!

 

I would hope for this one (created for Publisher, but the same is true also for Designer)

 

[walt.farrell]

9 hours ago, Rick G said:

Um Walt ... as I said in my bug report ...yes it DOES stop the update

I am done with this nit picking. A forum should be a free exchange of ideas;  bug reports in this case, but nitpicking to the point of absurdity is probably the reason that Affinity is spipping  on several fronts

It doesn't, for me, on either Windows 11 (MSI installer) or Windows 10 (MSIX installer). If it's stopping it for you, I think more info is needed.

And, my apologies: It was not intended as nit-picking. First, we needed to understand what you meant by "default document" (since it isn't). And then, since having that dialog up doesn't stop the update for other users, we need to understand what's happening for you, more than has been explained so far.

[garrettm30]

8 hours ago, R C-R said:

I personally like that clicking on the app's Dock icon in v2 does not reopen (maximize) any document's window I have minimized, but maybe that is just me

I’m that way too. For me, it is not often an issue with Affinity apps since I generally don’t work with many different projects at the same time, but in principle this default behavior usually is an annoyance with Safari. I click on the Safari icon in the dock because I want a new window, but it insists on opening a minimized window instead. If I had wanted that minimized window, I would have moved my mouse mere inches to the right on the dock and clicked the minimized window instead of the main app icon. Instead, I must click Safari and then minimize the existing window and then make a new window.

But that is Apple’s annoying convention. As a general rule, I prefer apps to follow the conventions of the host platform where reasonable. A few oddball apps that go in a different direction make for a confusing experience where habit gets befuddled by inconsistency and itself leads to frustration. So I guess I would suggest it would be better to do like Apple default rather than try to override Apple’s annoying convention. But, if it were me, I would be in no hurry to spend much time on this issue.

[R C-R]

2 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

It doesn't, for me, on either Windows 11 (MSI installer) or Windows 10 (MSIX installer).

FWIW, I just updated to the new Mac APub beta & left the New Document screen open & untouched while downloading & installing it. That did not prevent the update from downloading, installing, initializing, or restarting.