retrograde Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Cool stuff Matt, that should really help out a lot on complex repetitive type pieces. Cheers! Any more 1.5 secret goodies coming up? :-) I won't tell anyone, I promise. ;-) MattP 1 http://www.kevincreative.com https://www.behance.net/kevincreative https://dribbble.com/kevincreative https://www.instagram.com/kevincreative/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_B_C Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Wow … :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenogre Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Great ! I don't like the word "symbol", I prefer "Instance" but it's a detail. Can we have the same symbol with several scales ? Is scale dependent of the symbol ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonBusing Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Great ! I don't like the word "symbol", I prefer "Instance" but it's a detail. Can we have the same symbol with several scales ? Is scale dependent of the symbol ? Agreed that symbol is actually quite a bad and confusing word for what this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avo Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Wanna get my hands on those cool symbols asap... ferreirex 1 Follow me on Dribbble https://dribbble.com/g-avoyan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Agreed that symbol is actually quite a bad and confusing word for what this is. I too thought the term was confusing when I first encountered it, but that was in Flash 15 years ago. It's become the norm now. I think the term comes from computer science: A symbol, as I understand it, is a term for an entity that points to the actual data somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Attributes at the moment are not necessarily split into the best groups they could be, and we can tweak that over time, but in your example, 'yes' you could adjust the radius of one button's rounded corners and it affect all the others even if you'd changed the transform of one of them detached and/or its colour, blend mode etc... Nested symbols work. We want this same technology to be flexible enough to use as the best Master Page feature in any publishing application and that requires being able to use symbols within symbols. This looks like the most powerful symbol system I've ever seen! Continuing the UI design example, if I have a symbol of a button, turn off sync, change the text, make the background wider to match the new text, then turn sync back on, can I change the colors and still have it propagate to all the other instances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MattP Posted March 22, 2016 Author Staff Share Posted March 22, 2016 This looks like the most powerful symbol system I've ever seen! Continuing the UI design example, if I have a symbol of a button, turn off sync, change the text, make the background wider to match the new text, then turn sync back on, can I change the colors and still have it propagate to all the other instances? Yes, you definitely can :) Until you change an attribute with syncing turned off, it remains connected to all the other instances :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 With the caveat that text formatting, including colour, is part of the text and not a separate attribute. So if you edit the text words with syncing off, and then turn syncing on and change the text colour, the text colour won't propagate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nana Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 This all sounds good and impressive. So when do we get our hands on this wonderful beta to play with? I would hope we get a realise before the end of this week so some of us will have a long weekend to play with this shiny new toy ;) Come on, Serif Affinity!!! You can do it!!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 It's going to be a while. First we have to do another 1.4 beta, then update the Mac App Store with it, and only then can 1.5 beta see the light of day. smallreflection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 This all sounds good and impressive. So when do we get our hands on this wonderful beta to play with? I would hope we get a realise before the end of this week so some of us will have a long weekend to play with this shiny new toy ;) Come on, Serif Affinity!!! You can do it!!! :) FYI MattP posted 17 March 2016 - 07:20 AM "… I'm expecting maybe 2 weeks for a 1.5 beta, roughly?…” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nana Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 FYI MattP posted 17 March 2016 - 07:20 AM "… I'm expecting maybe 2 weeks for a 1.5 beta, roughly?…” It's going to be a while. First we have to do another 1.4 beta, then update the Mac App Store with it, and only then can 1.5 beta see the light of day. Hi Dave and Oval, There seems to be a bit of confusion here. Based on Dave's response, there is going to be a 1.4 beta with fixes with a final 1.4.x version pushed into MAS before 1.5 beta is beings. On the other hand, when I check the resolved comment for some of the bugs in the "bug reporting section" such as "Not able to edit text box content after duplication" closed off by Dave, his response is "Thanks for your help with this bug. We have now resolved the problem and will make the fix available in 1.5 beta 1." (AFD-1091) My question is that how is a bug in 1.4 being fixed for release in 1.5 if you there are plans to release a new 1.4.x version into the MAS before the 1.5 beta 1 release begins? I would expect that bugs found in 1.4.x version series will be fixed in the same release version number. If the fixes are in 1.5 version, then what is the point of releasing the 1.4.x MAS version? I hope someone will be able to clarify that for us because it sounds a bit confusing. Nana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MattP Posted March 24, 2016 Author Staff Share Posted March 24, 2016 Hi Nana, Sorry for the confusion. I mentioned initially that we have two code branches at the moment - only super-safe critical things are being fixed in the 1.4 branch so that customers will receive an update that doesn't break anything (only making things better). The fix Dave made went into our pre-beta 1.5 branch - it's the only safe and responsible way for him to make the change and be sure it won't have adverse consequences. So when the 1.4.2 update goes live it will stabilise 1.4, whereas when the 1.5 beta goes live it will include the fix you're referring to Hope that makes sense? :) Matt 000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nana Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Hi MattP, Thanks for your response. It clears up the air for me. Kind Regards, Nana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Is there a way to re-sync disconnected attributes? ♥️Affinity v2; macOS 14; ⌨️🖱; recreational user since 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtrasmal Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 That is really great. I just made a feature request for that kind of behaviour :) https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/19238-affinity-designer-artboard-portal-behaviour/ Great tool.. really happy about Affinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pela Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Matt nothing opens it says all are old versions :( Don't know what to do I'm a little workaholic here help :(( Note: the latest beta version is the one not opening.. in the meantime im working in not beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Matt nothing opens it says all are old versions :( Don't know what to do I'm a little workaholic here help :(( Note: the latest beta version is the one not opening.. in the meantime im working in not beta Yes, we just thought in the morning: Are we the only ones?! Again Nothingham without an explanation why it has expired. Perhaps they don’t like our bug reports any more. :-( Look here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00Ghz Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 The thing that I am most worry about is the fact that they mentioned they won’t release a feature until it’s exactly as they want it. But as in the artboards case, their view of how things should work fine didn’t match our views(most of us anyway). We wanted them separated from the layers panel in their own panel list. The partial implementations in the more frequent betas would have caught those sort of issues rather fast. But now we just have to accept whatever they come up with regardless if we like it or not. It seems there was some policy change by management or something regarding beta release frequencies or they want to save the time it took to release a beta(probably wasn’t that much anyway)? AshTeriyaki 1 UI Designer, CG Artist Macbook Pro 15" 2014 2.5 Ghz, 750M https://www.behance.net/VladMafteiuScai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted March 28, 2016 Staff Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hi Oval, All Betas have an expire date set to prevent abuse and to ensure people update them (otherwise what's the point of testing them if they don't have the latest features/fixes). Due to some delays (the developers are currently working on two different Beta branches - see more below) the current Beta has expired before a new one become available and since this is Easter Weekend plus Bank holiday today on UK, most of the staff is taking a break, that's why there wasn't any news or a new Beta yet. This will be addressed this week as soon as the staff returns to work. The Mac App Store version doesn't expire. You can use it until a new Beta becomes available. @00Ghz, I believe you misunderstood this "they mentioned they won’t release a feature until it’s exactly as they want it". This refers mostly to its quality/reliability, not necessarily how it works. No matter how we implement things, there will be always users unsatisfied with them because everyone have their own preferred methods of working or are used to other tools/processes from other software. If we change continuously features/functionality to try to please everyone we will never move forward. It's extremely difficult to get consensus around the way something should work. This is not easy for devs too. As far as i know there wasn't any change regarding the Beta's policy. They are simply delayed because the devs are working on two different Beta branches - one for 1.4 comprised mostly of bug fixes/refinements to the current Mac App Store version, and another for version 1.5 which is an important update and includes a few new things, some of them require quite work. The Artboards are not finished yet - there's still a few issues remaining - and their development will continue with 1.5 beta cycle. A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Thank you so much, MEB. Seems the expire date will never be announced and the next surprise can follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted March 28, 2016 Staff Share Posted March 28, 2016 There's no point in doing so. Usually a new Beta is out way before the previous one expires, but this time things got delayed a little. Anyway the Mac App Store version is what regular users should be using and it obviously never expires. A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olibclarke Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 @MEB, I understand the need for beta expiration dates, but perhaps it may be worth considering extending them so there is a bit of overlap after the release of a new beta or particularly a new MAS version? It is inconvenient to have to switch back to the app store version, as settings and preferences are not shared. Looking forward to trying out the new beta! Cheers, Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted March 28, 2016 Staff Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hi Oliver, That's how things should have worked. Usually there's an overlap period to prevent this from happening however seems it wasn't enough to cover the delay this time. I'm sorry for the inconvenience this is causing. A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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