Lemons Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 Hello forum, Just purchased the product and overall it is excellent. That said, it is missing a genuinely needed option within cropping. This being the ability to lock/align the cropping tool to the center of the image so that when you click and drag from the left; the right also crops to the same amount, and like wise from top to bottom. Most importantly to me is the need to crop from a corner and for all other points to move the same amount (whilst being locked at the center) framing the image equally and effectively. I believe although do not fully remember that to do something similar in the overly priced competitor of affinity photo is by holding down alt (or maybe it was shift, but not both together) whilst cropping. For now i am manually center cropping by adding/taking away the x and y value to achive an equal border. Thanks Simon Clay, wtrmlnjuc, bures and 6 others 9 Quote
foto-grafic Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Yes, it would be very useful to be able to cut the same amount of pixels left and right. Regards Quote
fde101 Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 The crop boundary doesn't obey snapping either, which would also have been a nice workaround for this. While I am skeptical of the notion that there is commonly benefit from centering the crop area, I do agree there should be some improvement in this area. Quote
walt.farrell Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, fde101 said: The crop boundary doesn't obey snapping either, which would also have been a nice workaround for this. The Crop Tool does obey snapping, but only to the image boundaries or to guides, not to objects. So one could draw a rectangle from the center (which is supported), then place guides (which would snap to the rectangle), and then crop by snapping to the guides. If one needs to crop from the center as a common part of their workflow that's too complex. fde101 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
HuniSenpai Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 4:24 AM, walt.farrell said: So one could draw a rectangle from the center (which is supported), then place guides (which would snap to the rectangle), and then crop by snapping to the guides. If one needs to crop from the center as a common part of their workflow that's too complex. That works, but it's extremely time consuming. Being able to hold crl while cropping to set transformation origin to center would be far better. This is what that certain overpriced AP competitor does. Once you use center-origin transformation it's hard to go back. Allowing users to hold crl / cmd to transform from center means that you only have to click and drag once to proportionally crop in from all sides. Without it, you have to click and drag four times to accomplish the same thing (and it's not even going to be accurate). It literally takes 4 times as long. Quote
RLS Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 I second this motion. It will be very useful to crop to a fixed ratio (standard photo sizes) to add border that will keep the image in that ratio. HuniSenpai 1 Quote
Lem3 Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 I found this thread because today I had a case where this capability would have been very helpful. HuniSenpai 1 Quote
Clau_S Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 I've been very surprised discovering that Photo is missing such a basic feature. This is not the only aspect where it's lacking the flexibility of Photoshop in very basic operations. I don't want it to be a simple PS clone, but there are things that should be a standard. When you're used to work fast because the app allows you to do it, and suddenly you find yourself decades back, mmm... Fifty points from Gryffindor. Quote
SuperPigDots Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 It is now 07/25/2020 and still, this most basic of features is not added. -_____- This feature is absolutely CRITICAL when working with logo designs. It basically makes the program unusable for logo design. Simon Clay, HuniSenpai and Clau_S 3 Quote
AffinityMakesMeWonder Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Is this really a problem? The common way here in Affinity Photo (workaround) must be to draw a simple rectangle, snap this to center horizon/vertical, clip this to image below and the Clip to Canvas menu command... This ”method” takes seconds to achieve, so, what’s this ”crop problem” here in Affinity Photo? Quote Happy guy playing around with the Affinity Suite - really love typographic, photographing, Color & forms, AND, old Synthesizers from the 1980-1990’s… Macbook Pro 16” M1 2021 connected to an 32” curved 5K external display, iPad Pro 12.9” M1 2021, iPad Pro 10.5” A10X 2017, iMac 27” 5K/i7 late 2015 - also an Lenovo iMac i7 clone with 24” touch screen and Windows 10…
fde101 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 Hi @Tanman, welcome to the forums! Affinity Designer would certainly be a better choice for logo design work than Affinity Photo though both have a mechanism for doing this: In Designer you can work out from the rulers how much space you want to remove then go to File -> Document Setup, and on the Dimensions tab, adjust the dimensions accordingly, with Anchor To Page selected, and the anchor point set in the center. In Photo, after working out the space you want to remove, go to Document -> Resize Canvas, adjust the dimensions, and set the anchor point in the center. Note that I'm not arguing against the requested feature, as I can see some value in it as well, but rather I am pointing out a possible alternative that may work for you in the meantime while using the current feature set of the software. Quote
SuperPigDots Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 @AffinityMakesMeSmile @fde101 Although I figured out a workaround and so have others here, the workarounds are tedious and annoying when this is usually a core feature (either via key command or a top menu button) in any other mainstream photo editor I have worked with. It's not that there is not a workaround; it's the simple fact that it's the year 2020 and a workaround for such a simple command is needed. Clau_S and HuniSenpai 2 Quote
HuniSenpai Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 On 7/26/2020 at 4:08 AM, fde101 said: Hi @Tanman, welcome to the forums! Affinity Designer would certainly be a better choice for logo design work than Affinity Photo though both have a mechanism for doing this: In Designer you can work out from the rulers how much space you want to remove then go to File -> Document Setup, and on the Dimensions tab, adjust the dimensions accordingly, with Anchor To Page selected, and the anchor point set in the center. In Photo, after working out the space you want to remove, go to Document -> Resize Canvas, adjust the dimensions, and set the anchor point in the center. Note that I'm not arguing against the requested feature, as I can see some value in it as well, but rather I am pointing out a possible alternative that may work for you in the meantime while using the current feature set of the software. Yeah I was going to say that he should be using Affinity Designer, too, but I still 100% agree that the crl modifier for crop and other tools is necessary with his job. You need to be able to symmetrically crop in from all sides. I'm a professional product photographer and it is the same story for me. I think the devs at Affinity Photo have no idea how important this feature is. Because they don't have it, I have to click and drag from each edge, one by one (or on the two vertices, but that offers less control for me). It is so, so painful. You see, I usually have my item centered directly in the frame, and I always shoot wider rather than tighter (in case I need to do a square crop or something weird). So I always have to crop... ergo I always have to deal with Affinity Photo's awful lack of a crl modifier. This would take the devs half an hour -- maybe minutes -- to add. Please just add it. Even if I have to buy Affinity Photo 2.0 for it, I will. Also, don't even talk about workarounds. The whole point of crl to center lock if for convenience. You lose all convenience when you have to place down rulers to do it. horanyia 1 Quote
carl123 Posted July 31, 2020 Posted July 31, 2020 7 hours ago, HuniSenpai said: I'm a professional product photographer 7 hours ago, HuniSenpai said: This would take the devs half an hour -- maybe minutes -- to add I never knew they were teaching computer programming on photography courses these days. You learn something new every day. Arba 1 Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time.
HuniSenpai Posted July 31, 2020 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, carl123 said: I never knew they were teaching computer programming on photography courses these days. You learn something new every day. You assume that photographers only know photography? Are you really going to insult me like that? I am actually familiar with Java and have done some programming. To be fair, it's simple stuff -- basic GUIs, bots to control my computer and do silly stuff like a graphing calculator in ms paint, bot to auto list items and scan screen, click on buttons, etc. But, to be clear, I am not saying I know anywhere near as much as these devs. However, am I wrong to say that it wouldn't take longer than maybe an hour? Maybe 30 minutes? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this does not seem like it is a hard thing to add. Of course sometimes the most deceptively simple things can be complicated to implement -- I have learned that from my (slight bit of) coding experience. Still, I doubt this would be a multi-day project... SuperPigDots 1 Quote
fde101 Posted July 31, 2020 Posted July 31, 2020 8 hours ago, HuniSenpai said: However, am I wrong to say that it wouldn't take longer than maybe an hour? Maybe 30 minutes? The virtual paperwork involved in implementing a new feature within the product of an organization often adds multiple times the amount of work to a project that the actual coding does. Add to this the need to update the product documentation (in multiple languages), the time taken to test the feature (and to verify that adding it did not break something else), possibly determining how well the selected modifiers work across different keyboard layouts... Multiply parts of that by the three platforms they are supporting if the input system for the modifiers is not sufficiently well abstracted by their framework. Suddenly that 1 hour coding change could amount to a several days or more of work when spread across multiple individuals involved in making it happen (developer to write the code, testers, documentation team, management...), depending on how Serif structures their project internally, assuming it was even that fast of a change to begin with (which is by no means established here - only Serif knows how this is coded internally or what it would take to add this feature). Quote
SuperPigDots Posted July 31, 2020 Posted July 31, 2020 Lol, leave it to coding forum posters to sideline the entire point and chime in to say that this feature would turn the entire world as we know it upside down just to try to shoot someone down to... idk... feel better about themselves or something, lolol. This thread is so off topic now. I just want to say that I have some coding experience too and good point @HuniSenpai. I think the point being made is being lost on the details. This feature is missing in Affinity and should have long since been implemented, whether it takes 30 mins or multiple days for them to do so. HuniSenpai, Clau_S and harrym 3 Quote
HuniSenpai Posted July 31, 2020 Posted July 31, 2020 6 hours ago, fde101 said: The virtual paperwork involved in implementing a new feature within the product of an organization often adds multiple times the amount of work to a project that the actual coding does. Add to this the need to update the product documentation (in multiple languages), the time taken to test the feature (and to verify that adding it did not break something else), possibly determining how well the selected modifiers work across different keyboard layouts... There isn't a whole lot to test for a feature like this. I guess I'd try thing like letting go of crl while doing the center-locked cropping, double tapping crl, pressing crl after I start moving an edge, try crl on edge vs vertex, etc. Really it's just a matter of having a play around with the tool in a few different scenarios. 10 minutes. It doesn't need to be perfect at this stage because it will then be tested again by hundreds of people (including me) once the beta is released -- free bug testing! Secondly, if Serif has done this right, they would update their documentation across different languages in bulk. That is, once every major update. You don't call up your translator and have them translate just a sentence or two (on a feature that is still in development and may be adjusted later). Rather, you have them translate things after you have finished a significant portion -- i.e., finished the update or a large amount of it. As for adding this feature to the English documentation, this is literally a sentence or two mention. As much as you are trying to claim otherwise, this really isn't all that time consuming -- and my opinion is as good as yours, because neither of us are Serif devs. Moreover, the devs are updating the documentation dozens of times throughout the update; this addition to the documentation is just a drop in the bucket. Anyways, to be clear, no hostility here. I'm glad we're having a (civil) conversation about the implications of adding this feature. Certainly better than when my thread was sitting here silent for around half a year, lol! Quote
Ventana Posted January 25, 2021 Posted January 25, 2021 The topic has been quiet for awhile, but I don't see that the feature has been added. Are we all still waiting? I agree that it would be extremely useful, and kind of basic. Quote
Adrian Meyer Posted April 4, 2021 Posted April 4, 2021 Yes, must have! Please add Ctrl / Center Drag horanyia 1 Quote
Fritz_H Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 ...and one more simple change which improves usability but Serif refuses to implement. Quote
Pro in HartfordCT Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 I'm waiting too. Shocked from the beginning that this feature wouldn't be a given. Yes, something is already centered, but I just need to crop in from the sides equally. Quote
kirk23 Posted September 3, 2021 Posted September 3, 2021 Isn't it perfectly possible to do with "resize canvas" when you hit center dot Quote
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