garrettm30 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I would also like to suggest the "Balance ragged lines" feature. This is something I use in almost every publication I produce. For those who do not know what I am talking about, this is a feature from InDesign. Imagine a center-aligned heading that is just a bit too long to fit on a single line. Normally, this would mean only the last word or so would get bumped to the next line. Such as this: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog Balance ragged lines would instead display the following, without any need for forcing a line break: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog pethr, Aleksandar Kovač, MarekGFX and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct253 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 +1 I would use this a ton, as well. claidheamdanns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 +1 very useful claidheamdanns 1 Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smadell Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 This would be stupendous, BUT I’d like to be able to override it on a per-line basis, and insert hyphenation manually in an otherwise non-hyphenated paragraph. But, a great feature suggestion. Quote Affinity Photo 2, Affinity Publisher 2, Affinity Designer 2 (latest retail versions) - desktop & iPad Culling - FastRawViewer; Raw Developer - Capture One Pro; Asset Management - Photo Supreme Mac Studio with M2 Max (2023}; 64 GB RAM; macOS 13 (Ventura); Mac Studio Display - iPad Air 4th Gen; iPadOS 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 +1 This would be great. claidheamdanns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 My experience with this feature is mixed at best, I finally just shut it off. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalan_fsu Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I also find this feature of Indd extremely useful in my workflow. It can save a ton of time by balancing paragraphs to be visually appealing – automatically. claidheamdanns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claidheamdanns Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 +1 for me, too, on this. Not something I use every day, but frequently enough that I miss it being there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 9/1/2018 at 1:28 AM, garrettm30 said: Balance ragged lines would instead display the following, without any need for forcing a line break: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog Unfortunately it is much better to do this manually. I would prefer the one above be: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog Old Bruce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 7:51 AM, Fixx said: it is much better to do this manually The irony is, because this just forum layout, the example I gave was in fact done manually, and I broke it where I preferred the break (I prefer the longer line on top). As you noted, you "prefer" it another way, and of course there is room for different preferences. However, in view of the fact that preferences on where to divide the line manually do vary, I respectfully disagree with your statement that doing it manually is "much better." But whether longer line on top or not (or perhaps rather division by semantics or not), I prefer even more the savings of time. I recently had a project involving many hundreds of pages of poetic line where each line of verse was a hanging indent. Many of the lines extended beyond a single line by only a word or two, meaning the overflow line was short, and the overall look of the page struck me as hectic, as though the columns of text looked like a comb. I started out by spending several hours manually breaking the lines, but I wasn't even 10% complete and I was running out of time on my schedule. I tried the automatic balance ragged lines in InDesign, and I liked the overall balance of the page better. In fact, I went back and undid most of my manual work and opted instead for the automatic for a clean, consistent appearance. Also another reason: as a general principle, I avoid as much as possible achieving format by inserting elements into the text. It is clear that not everyone has the same use to this feature, but it does have its use. ScottFromWyoming, claidheamdanns and Fixx 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claidheamdanns Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 There are times when I very much prefer to use "balance ragged lines" for the same reasons stated by @garrettm30. If nothing else, it provides a good starting point. Other times, this provides an undesirable effect … but is, after all, why we still have human typesetters, right . "Balance ragged lines" is a tool, like any other in our toolbox, and it's nice to have it available. StanleyHarrison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexislav Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 another +1 for this request! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 8:51 AM, Fixx said: Unfortunately it is much better to do this manually. I would prefer the one above be: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog Maybe there need to be "balance ascending" and "balance descending" modes to prefer one order over the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, fde101 said: Maybe there need to be "balance ascending" and "balance descending" modes to prefer one order over the other? It's more like the meaning of the sentence suggests where to divide it. PaulEC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fixx said: It's more like the meaning of the sentence suggests where to divide it. For that it either needs to be done manually or using a yet-to-be-developed "AI Balancing" mode. Still would seem preferable to just one or the other? PaulEC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 I stumbled across an interesting observation recently in this regard that leads me to believe that a multiline composer works together with and is possibly even necessary for the ragged balance lines concept to work. Consider the example in this screenshot from Indesign: Here you see two text boxes that are identical in every respect (that is, I duplicated them) with the sole exception that the box on the right has balance ragged lines activated. Compare the first line of the paragraph in both versions: in order to achieve the more balanced look in the specimen on the right, the program had to break lines earlier than necessary even as far back as the very first line in the paragraph. That is, it had to calculate line breaking for the whole paragraph rather than a line-by-line fashion that Publisher uses as its only option. That is what leads me to the conclusion that balanced ragged lines is an extension of the concept of a multiline composer. I do not know whether this is inherently so, but it does seem to be the case at least in InDesign, as evidenced by the fact that the balance ragged lines setting does nothing at all if "Adobe Single Line Composer" is activated rather than the "Adobe Paragraph Composer." This does not give me much hope, as so far Serif has not seemed interested in a multiline composer as far as their public comments are concerned–but I do realize and accept that they are not in the habit of publicly commenting on desired features until they show up in beta. claidheamdanns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarekGFX Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Hello, is there any official statement on the topic of multiline composer concept integration? This seems to me like another one of the must have missing features – especially for professionals. Quote marekmati.com [MAC OS 12.2, MacBook Pro 2017, 15-inch, 2.9 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, AMD Radeon Pro 560, Intel HD Graphics 630, 500GB SSD + Philips Monitor 4K/60fps 10bit color via DisplayPort to USB-C cable] Affinity Publisher 1.10.5, Affinity Designer 1.10.5, Affinity Photo 1.10.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 hours ago, MarekGFX said: Hello, is there any official statement on the topic of multiline composer concept integration? Hi @MarekGFX, no, there isn't. Serif usually does not comment on feature requests or any planned features that are not part of the official beta versions. d. Quote Affinity Designer 1 & 2 | Affinity Photo 1 & 2 | Affinity Publisher 1 & 2 Affinity Designer 2 for iPad | Affinity Photo 2 for iPad | Affinity Publisher 2 for iPad Windows 11 64-bit - Core i7 - 16GB - Intel HD Graphics 4600 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M iPad pro 9.7" + Apple Pencil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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