MikeTO Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 For continued sharing of 11021 (Photo 1.10.4) results. Please include details on your CPU since that's not detailed in the benchmark dialog. Thanks. User_783649, telemax and Chris B 3 Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 User_783649 1 Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metawops Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Hi, I'm totally new here. How can I contribute to this? I have a MacBook Pro 14" (2021) with M1 Max (10 Cores) and 24 cores GPU running on macOS Monterey 12.0.1 ... This is a screenshot of the results from the current macOS beta 1.10.5.270 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted December 8, 2021 Author Share Posted December 8, 2021 On 12/7/2021 at 3:55 PM, metawops said: Hi, I'm totally new here. How can I contribute to this? I have a MacBook Pro 14" (2021) with M1 Max (10 Cores) and 24 cores GPU running on macOS Monterey 12.0.1 ... This is a screenshot of the results from the current macOS beta 1.10.5.270 ... Nice! metawops 1 Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_783649 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 @MikeTO A good friend of mine was able to perform these tests on his custom hackintosh build. macOS Monterey 12.1, Intel Core i9-12900K, AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT. @Andy Somerfield Just thought it might be interesting for you to see these numbers. Seems like we have new world record here! Raster (GPU) is 150% faster on RX 6900 XT than M1 Max 32C GPU. Almost 50000 points. Andy, any thoughts on why we're seeing significant drop in Combined (GPU) score on our machines? Almost 500% lower than Raster (GPU). Why RX 6900 XT, being 150% faster than M1 Max GPU in Raster (GPU) test and 250% faster in Geekbench Metal has so low Combined (GPU) score? For M1 machines the difference between these GPU scores isn't that huge. And Combined (GPU) seems to be just 25-30% lower compared to Raster (GPU). More interesting fact is that even mine RX 580 getting 8600 points in Combined (GPU) and RX 6900 XT has only 10000 points. 16% difference. When in Raster (GPU) RX 580 has 14500 points and RX 6900 XT has shocking ~50000 points. 345% difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff James Ritson Posted January 4, 2022 Staff Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 12/21/2021 at 7:43 AM, Alex M said: Andy, any thoughts on why we're seeing significant drop in Combined (GPU) score on our machines? Almost 500% lower than Raster (GPU). Why RX 6900 XT, being 150% faster than M1 Max GPU in Raster (GPU) test and 250% faster in Geekbench Metal has so low Combined (GPU) score? For M1 machines the difference between these GPU scores isn't that huge. And Combined (GPU) seems to be just 25-30% lower compared to Raster (GPU). More interesting fact is that even mine RX 580 getting 8600 points in Combined (GPU) and RX 6900 XT has only 10000 points. 16% difference. When in Raster (GPU) RX 580 has 14500 points and RX 6900 XT has shocking ~50000 points. 345% difference. Happy New Year! That's an impressive benchmark score. The reason the combined score is so low, however, is exactly why Apple's M1 chips are so beneficial—since they have UMA (unified memory architecture), there is no penalty when copying data between the CPU and GPU. The combined score benchmark measures a combination of operations that must be performed on CPU and GPU separately. For example, you may have operations on the CPU (general compositing, vector calculations), then operations on the GPU (raster processing with pixel content). Data has to be copied to and from both devices, which incurs a bandwidth penalty if they are separate rather than unified. That is why you are seeing such a dramatic drop in the combined score: it is factoring in CPU operations, and the memory transfer is clearly quite a bottleneck for the GPU in this instance. I can give you a practical example using Affinity Photo. Let's say you take an image, then add a few adjustment layers and live filter layers. These will compile kernels that then run on the GPU, so all your compositing is done in 'hardware' and you will see the effect of a faster GPU very clearly. However, let's say that you then add a vector layer above those layers—for example, a rectangle quick shape, piece of text, or poly curve using the Pen Tool. These vector layers are then going to be processed on the CPU, so the compositing result held in memory must be copied back to the CPU in order to continue compositing. If you then added some more pixel layers, adjustments etc above that vector layer, the compositing data must once again go back to the GPU. Although it may be less frequent in Photo and Designer, you will continuously run into this scenario with Publisher, since page layout design is the very definition of mixed discipline. At this point, you are at the mercy of whichever component is causing the memory bandwidth bottleneck. Another advantage of unified memory is that the memory is shared. I do a lot of rendering with blender, 3ds Max and V-Ray etc, and I will often have to render more complex scenes on CPU because they exceed the available VRAM on my GPU (8GB)—especially with V-Ray and archviz scenes. This means I can't take advantage of OptiX rendering on the GPU which is significantly faster. With shared memory, the GPU can just allocate as much memory as it requires rather than having its own discrete pool that you are limited to. I have, on occasion, gone beyond 8GB when compositing in Affinity Photo, so having a shared memory pool of 16/32/64GB is potentially very useful. A final thing to note: although the M1 scores are technically lower, the increased memory bandwidth as a result of the unified architecture helps everything to 'feel' snappier as well. I now work on an M1 Mac Mini—although the GPU scores around 8000-9000, which seems somewhat pitiful in the face of M1 Pro/Max and the latest discrete GPUs, it still feels incredibly quick with the majority of everyday operations, and all the Affinity apps have some very good optimisation which helps the hardware punch above its technical weight. Chris B, walt.farrell, affinityfan and 4 others 4 3 @JamesR_Affinity for Affinity resources and more Official Affinity Photo tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 With the Mackintosh added for comparison. Green highlights highest score within a 10% band. User_783649 1 Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metawops Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Here's another input for the spreadsheet: it's from my iMac 27" (2020) with a 3,6 GHz 10-Core Intel Core i9, 40 GB RAM and an AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT 16 GB graphics card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadarnfel Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Custom built i9 11th Generation, running at 5GHz, with 128GB RAM Windows 11 Pro Affinity 2 Universal Suite Desktop: Apple Mac Studio 2022 model (M1 Ultra) 20 core CPU, 48 core GPU, with 128GB RAM, connected to triple 4k monitors Laptop: Apple MacBook Pro 14" 2021 model (M1 Max) 10 core CPU, 32 core GPU, with 64GB RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 metawops 1 Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikA310 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Contributing again from Apple universe. Macbook Pro 16" 2ec 8pc CPU; 32c GPU; 32GB (AP 1.10.4, MacOS Monterey 12.1) MikeTO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFault Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Mac Mini 16 GB RAM MikeTO 1 Mac mini M1 A2348 | Windows 10 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. My posts focus on technical aspects and leave out most of social grease like „maybe“, „in my opinion“, „I might be wrong“ etc. just add copy/paste all these softeners from this signature to make reading more comfortable for you. Otherwise I’m a fine person which respects you and everyone and wants to be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 Wow, that M1 Max 32 core GPU. Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFault Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Fun part: Mac Mini is far lower in Benchmark vs. my Win 10 / GTX1080 PC. But it feels dramatically snappier. PC is handicapped by some spinning rust (besides system SSD), and by Windows itself of course. Feels like a dragster doing endless burnouts standing still, whereas a Tesla just runs away. I had 2 displays (5K and 4K) connected during benchmark, will try again with only one. Mac mini M1 A2348 | Windows 10 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. My posts focus on technical aspects and leave out most of social grease like „maybe“, „in my opinion“, „I might be wrong“ etc. just add copy/paste all these softeners from this signature to make reading more comfortable for you. Otherwise I’m a fine person which respects you and everyone and wants to be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metawops Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, MikeTO said: Wow, that M1 Max 32 core GPU. This was to be expected, no? No big surprise for me here. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 @MikeTO Here is my iMac 2021 24" with M1 chip OS Big Sur 11.5. 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.5.5. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLC Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Macbook Pro 2019 15,4" 2,3 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9 9880H 16 GB RAM Radeon Pro 560x 4 GB RAM + Intel UHD 630 macOS Monterey 12.2.1Running on battery though. MikeTO 1 Why relying on your users to report errors is the dumbest thing you’ll ever do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 @mykee mykee, CLC and telemax 2 1 Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telemax Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 @MikeTO Thank you! CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X (stock)GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GBOS: Windows 10 Pro 19044.1288 mykee 1 Non-destructive Mask https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/150439-non-destructive-mask/Image layer & Pixel layer https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/146720-image-layer-and-pixel-layer/Brushes | Stars https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/135202-brushes-stars/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, telemax said: @MikeTO Thank you! Ryzen 7 3700X (stock) Windows 10 Pro 19044.1288 Which Intel processor do you have? It's too bad the benchmarking tool couldn't gather that automatically. Thanks. Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M4 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 hours ago, MikeTO said: Which Intel processor do you have? He already wrote that he used an "AMD Ryzen 7 3700X" CPU. telemax 1 ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telemax Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (stock)GPU: AMD RX Vega 8 (CPU integrated graphic)OS: Windows 10 Pro 19042.1526 Non-destructive Mask https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/150439-non-destructive-mask/Image layer & Pixel layer https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/146720-image-layer-and-pixel-layer/Brushes | Stars https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/135202-brushes-stars/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Another Macbook in my studio, just as another reference to Apple Silicon power: Macbook Pro 16,2" 2021 Apple M1 Pro (10 CPU cores, 16 GPU cores) 16 GB RAM SSD 1 TB MacOS Monterey 12.2.1 Why relying on your users to report errors is the dumbest thing you’ll ever do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 7:15 PM, MikeTO said: @mykee Hi @MikeTO - oops, there's something wrong with the table, since my username is attributed to a Macbook Pro 13 early 2015 - I should be named one row above with my Macbook Pro 15 2019 Why relying on your users to report errors is the dumbest thing you’ll ever do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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