Adjusted mask behaviour

[Michail]

31 minutes ago, Ash said:

In the latest update (1736) we have now made it so single click adds a mask and alt-click gives the expanded drop down...

At the moment it is a Ctrl-click in Windows. Alt-click is like without an additional key.

[mak]

No chance to set transparency to mask layer only, without affecting the enclosed layer

[debraspicher]

1 hour ago, Michail said:

At the moment it is a Ctrl-click in Windows. Alt-click is like without an additional key.

Can confirm this also.

[Frozen Death Knight]

6 hours ago, Michail said:

At the moment it is a Ctrl-click in Windows. Alt-click is like without an additional key.

R click works too I noticed.

[Michail]

11 hours ago, Frozen Death Knight said:

R click works too I noticed.

The right-click is also the better solution at the moment: If you use the Ctrl-click, you have to release the Ctrl-key again after the click, because otherwise the selection does not work properly.

[Chris B]

1 hour ago, Michail said:

If you use the Ctrl-click, you have to release the Ctrl-key again after the click, because otherwise the selection does not work properly.

I'm not seeing this. Can you record a video? I can hold Ctrl and click to make as many masks as I want

[Michail]

1 hour ago, Chris B said:

I'm not seeing this. Can you record a video? I can hold Ctrl and click to make as many masks as I want

Yes, the creation of masks works well. But the feedback for the user, by highlighting, only works sporadically (Windows). Only when the Ctrl key is released are all mask entries highlighted when the mouse is over them.

[jc4d]

Thank you so much for adding the right click, I cannot be happier 🤩

[Chris B]

I see what you mean about the highlight. I'll get that logged.

[Bartosz Borecki]

If I may share my insight after using latest beta... 🙂

Maybe lets revert to previous method of assigning mask and keep right click for opening additional menu:

- left click on the mask button = mask
- alt + left click on the mask button = empty mask
- right click = opens menu with additional options

I have a filling that this may be more obvious solution, right click is usually for opening additional context menu. And previous behaviour of adding mask/empty mask was familiar for a lot of users and was fast for only adding mask/empty mask without the need for opening additional menu. Therefore no functionality will be removed, like alt + click for empty mask but new functionality will be added, like right click for additional options.

Thanks for considering it and being open to all users suggestions 🙂

[Craig Ozancin]

1 hour ago, Bartosz Borecki said:

If I may share my insight after using latest beta... 🙂

Maybe lets revert to previous method of assigning mask and keep right click for opening additional menu:

- left click on the mask button = mask
- alt + left click on the mask button = empty mask
- right click = opens menu with additional options

I have a filling that this may be more obvious solution, right click is usually for opening additional context menu. And previous behaviour of adding mask/empty mask was familiar for a lot of users and was fast for only adding mask/empty mask without the need for opening additional menu. Therefore no functionality will be removed, like alt + click for empty mask but new functionality will be added, like right click for additional options.

Thanks for considering it and being open to all users suggestions 🙂

Yes, I agree. This makes good sense.

[Frozen Death Knight]

Regarding just masking in general, three operators I would like to see added to the R click menu for individual masks would be Invert Mask, Clear Mask, and Rasterize Mask.

Invert is pretty obvious. Clearing a mask would simply fill the mask with a white colour so everything becomes visible as a way to reset it. Rasterize Mask would allow us to destructively apply any changes done to it. This option would also need to be available for Compound Mask, so it is possible to merge masks together destructively. This is especially important for compatibility with PSD since Photoshop does not support this kind of feature, so working with others who use Photoshop will become more troublesome.

[lepr]

27 minutes ago, Frozen Death Knight said:

Regarding just masking in general, three operators I would like to see added to the R click menu for individual masks would be Invert Mask, Clear Mask, and Rasterize Mask.

Invert is pretty obvious. Clearing a mask would simply fill the mask with a white colour so everything becomes visible as a way to reset it. Rasterize Mask would allow us to destructively apply any changes done to it. This option would also need to be available for Compound Mask, so it is possible to merge masks together destructively. This is especially important for compatibility with PSD since Photoshop does not support this kind of feature, so working with others who use Photoshop will become more troublesome.

 

Good, except Clear should fill the mask with 'black' and Fill should fill the mask with 'white' to remain consistent with the terminology in the Channels panel.

[lepr]

2 minutes ago, N.P.M. said:

Already possible with the fill/gradient tool 😉
 

It's already possible by several methods, but my reply was in the context of FDK's suggestion for right-clicking a mask in Layers panel. 

[lepr]

Just now, N.P.M. said:

Yes, just a pointer that somethings are already possible without adding new buttons.

It's not a new button! The suggestion was for additional items in an already existing context menu.

[lepr]

18 minutes ago, N.P.M. said:

Kiss is key for me so keeping it as simple as possible without adding item x,y,z to whatever menu.
 

KISS like when you wrote:

49 minutes ago, N.P.M. said:

Also using a selection on the mask layer one can invert by choosing the opposite color black/vs white
And if one switches the selection you can create a second mask with the the same options to reverse/invert the masked region

Please explain why that's simpler than right-clicking and picking an item from a short context menu?

 

 

 

[Frozen Death Knight]

15 hours ago, N.P.M. said:

Kiss is key for me so keeping it as simple as possible without adding item x,y,z to whatever menu.
 

Context sensitive menus are meant for features that assist with these kinds of tasks. Plenty of people like using tablets, so tablet users will not have direct access to keyboards, and searching the top menus every time is just impractical. Context sensitive menus help simplify workflow by compiling the operators that are useful for that specific thing you are interacting with.

If you are that bothered with having more operators, just use keybinds. Let those who use menus get the features they ask for.

[Boldlinedesign]

4 hours ago, N.P.M. said:

It's why I detest vectorstyler as it is a shedload of functions under numerous menus, options here and there.

Once you start using the program it's not anywhere near as complex as you claim. There are an amazing number of features and it flows well. It's not any more complex than illustrator for example. Compared to the simplicity and feature lacking affinity designer, I can understand the view that it's too much

[Chris B]

Hi all, just to clarify, we are looking at making this true for Windows:

1. Left-Click adds Default Mask

2. Alt+Left-Click add Empty Mask

3. Right-Click shows extended Mask Menu

The issue with the strange highlight when holding down Ctrl and mousing over the mask options is a WPF issue that we cannot fix so this is a potential solution.

[Michail]

2 hours ago, Chris B said:

2. Alt+Left-Click adds Default Mask

The problem with the strange highlight when holding down Ctrl and swiping over the mask options is a WPF problem that we cannot fix, so this is a possible solution.

The framework issue therefore only exists with the Ctrl key, not with the Alt key. Correct?

[Chris J]

49 minutes ago, Michail said:

The framework issue therefore only exists with the Ctrl key, not with the Alt key. Correct?

On Windows. The Alt key is reserved for the MainMenu.

[Craig Ozancin]

5 hours ago, Chris B said:

Hi all, just to clarify, we are looking at making this true for Windows:

1. Left-Click adds Default Mask

2. Alt+Left-Click add Empty Mask

3. Right-Click shows extended Mask Menu

The issue with the strange highlight when holding down Ctrl and mousing over the mask options is a WPF issue that we cannot fix so this is a potential solution.

That wold give the most consistent and predictable user experience. It also give the easiest method (IMHO) to the extended menu without needing the keyboard.

[debraspicher]

46 minutes ago, Craig Ozancin said:

That wold give the most consistent and predictable user experience. It also give the easiest method (IMHO) to the extended menu without needing the keyboard.

Yes and it seems to be the more intuitive of the other options we've had so far.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "The pop-up menu for masks fails to highlight the list of masks correctly" (REF: AFP-6092) has been fixed by the developers in internal build "2.1.0.1742".
This fix should soon be available as a customer beta and is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
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[mykee]

On 3/31/2023 at 11:34 AM, Chris B said:

Hi all, just to clarify, we are looking at making this true for Windows:

1. Left-Click adds Default Mask

2. Alt+Left-Click add Empty Mask

3. Right-Click shows extended Mask Menu

The issue with the strange highlight when holding down Ctrl and mousing over the mask options is a WPF issue that we cannot fix so this is a potential solution.

I tried this, and perfect solution for me. Great thanks!