Prouvé Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I thought it may be of help to those new to Affinity Publisher to produce a brief guide to Typography. The focus of the guide is to highlight the importance of using typography settings to allow for repositioning and sizing of page elements when finally deciding on a page layout design. Hopefully, it will be of use to those who may be unfamiliar with the typography settings in AP. The guide can be viewed HERE. If you want to download the PDF, click on THIS LINK Catshill, Rudolphus, EmilyGoater and 8 others 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 If only everybody read this, then simple documents would be a pleasure to read. If only the people who do small print would pay heed to this simplicity. Prouvé 1 Quote MacBook pro, 2.26 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256 MB, OS X 10.11.6 http://www.pinterest.com/peter2111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smadell Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I enjoyed your piece, and found it quite informative. Therefore, I apologize for being a "buzzkill," but you misspelled the word "Typography" on the front cover – the letter "o" is included twice. Prouvé 1 Quote Affinity Photo 2, Affinity Publisher 2, Affinity Designer 2 (latest retail versions) - desktop & iPad Culling - FastRawViewer; Raw Developer - Capture One Pro; Asset Management - Photo Supreme Mac Studio with M2 Max (2023); 64 GB RAM; macOS 13 (Ventura); Mac Studio Display - iPad Air 4th Gen; iPadOS 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 minute ago, smadell said: I enjoyed your piece, and found it quite informative. Therefore, I apologize for being a "buzzkill," but you misspelled the word "Typography" on the front cover – the letter "o" is included twice. If we’re going to be picky, there should be a hyphen instead of an en dash in the word. Prouvé, Rodi and RNKLN 1 2 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 @smadell and @Alfred surely those must be "typos?" 🤪 Alfred and Prouvé 1 1 Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.5.5. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 And surely, if there can be typos, there can be ography about them. And as two otherwise unrelated words, typo-ography would properly have an en-dash, not a hyphen Prouvé, Alfred and jmwellborn 1 2 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prouvé Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 Ok People! You all get gold stars for paying attention! The error wasn't initially deliberate but it took our people almost a full 7 days to spot the error, so you all did marginally better at about 3 or 4 days. Thought it would be good to leave it as it was to see if anyone else spotted the illusionary aspect of the error. It's now a bit of a game in our office as we try and find other examples of this type of thing. Here are a few of the examples of illusionary typography we've collected. How many "F"'s are in the following phrase? On first glance, many people will see 3, but there are actually 6. And what about this one that I remembered from my school days? The double "THE" isn't always spotted on first glance Here is another one that's quite interesting - most English speakers will be able to read the following without any real problem at all! Do you guys have any more examples? Would be great to share. walt.farrell, loukash, A_B_C and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 @Prouvé Here's another version: Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.5.5. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I have to say, @jmwellborn, that I found that one harder to read than the one that @Prouvé showed us. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: I have to say, @jmwellborn, that I found that one harder to read than the one that @Prouvé showed us. I think that is because the paragraph starts with a word with an apostrophe and the second with four vowels. By then the mind goes into lockdown for a second or two, before pressing on regardless. Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.5.5. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6.7. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smadell Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Jeez – did I start all this? jmwellborn and Prouvé 2 Quote Affinity Photo 2, Affinity Publisher 2, Affinity Designer 2 (latest retail versions) - desktop & iPad Culling - FastRawViewer; Raw Developer - Capture One Pro; Asset Management - Photo Supreme Mac Studio with M2 Max (2023); 64 GB RAM; macOS 13 (Ventura); Mac Studio Display - iPad Air 4th Gen; iPadOS 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, smadell said: Jeez – did I start all this? Yes (Or, no, Prouvé did.) jmwellborn and Prouvé 1 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prouvé Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 I think it just proves the point that the visual appearance of typography is an important design element that makes text more readable and understandable - even when it contains blinding errors. jmwellborn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 6:28 PM, Alfred said: If we’re going to be picky Rule #1 in serious typography: Do. Not. Use.Arial. Ever.(Unless your client forces you to use it and you really need the job in order to pay your bills. Been there done that, so sue me. But at first we had an argument. And in the end I didn't put my name under it. :D) But other than that (and the other picky picks), a nice summary of what some of us may have been taught at art schools for years, before DTP even was a thing. Prouvé 1 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prouvé Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 I agree entirely. Arial is not he best font in the world, particularly when creating text heavy publications. However, the guide itself, although using Arial for the explanatory text and the initial specimen text, it was chosen because most WP applications use something like Arial, Calibri or Helvetica so it helps to emphasise the contrast between typical word processing output and the output from a DTP application (what the guide is about). You will notice that when the guide reaches the topic of fonts, the specimen body text changes from Arial to Meta Pro, which is a more acceptable font for use in publications that use a sans-serif font. The continuing use of Arial for the explanatory text was used to maintain consistency from the starting point of the guide through to the final page. It will also be noted that Adobe Caslon Pro was used as the serif font. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodi Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Giambasta Bodoni, the excellent printer from Parma who pushed the Didot types (funny enough now mostly named "Bodonis", some of my favorites), had books littered with typos. It's print, keep looking, you find mistakes! Very well done Prouve! Prouvé and Alfred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 A priest, a pastor and a rabbit walked into a blood donation clinic. The nurse asked the rabbit, "What is your blood type?" "I am probably a type O," said the rabbit. walt.farrell, Seneca, Catshill and 1 other 2 2 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Rodi said: It's print, keep looking, you find mistakes! Too true! For years I was involved with producing "What's On" brochures for a theatre, with a calendar listing shows, dates, times etc. Three of us used to proof read these. Taking our time, checking everything several times over. As sure as God made little apples, for virtually every edition, we'd approve the proofs, the print would be delivered and as soon as I looked at the finished article, there, standing out like a sore thumb, was some glaring, obvious, typo that all of us should have spotted easily. Never failed! 😁 Rodi 1 Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 10:06 PM, jmwellborn said: I think that is because the paragraph starts with a word with an apostrophe and the second with four vowels. Probably doesn't help that l (el) is missing from "couldn't" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, anon2 said: Probably doesn't help that l (el) is missing from "couldn't" True, but an ell is also missing from “ell” in your post! lepr 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Alfred said: True, but an ell is also missing from “ell” in your post! Funny but wrong. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/el Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, anon2 said: Funny but wrong. Not wrong but simply a variant spelling. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alfred said: Not wrong but simply a variant spelling. A variant, so you were wrong to claim something was missing from my spelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, anon2 said: A variant, so you were wrong to claim something was missing from my spelling. Oh, all right, we’ll let you off this time! Just don’t do it again!! lepr 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Alfred said: Oh, all right, we’ll let you off this time! Just don’t do it again!! bloody el/ell kenmcd, jmwellborn, PaulEC and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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