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[Poll] Do you need a DAM? And what should it be like?


Do you need a DAM-program by Serif? And what should it be like?  

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  1. 1. Do you need a DAM?

    • No thanks. I'm just fine with the OS native File Browser / I happily use a 3rd party program for browsing my assets and RAW editing.
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    • Yes. I would like to have an Asset Browser. It should provide reliable Preview of all Affinity filetypes and of other popular file types. I do not work with RAW files / the current RAW editing implementation works well for my needs.
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    • Yes. I would like to have an Asset Browser, but it needs to have a powerful RAW processor built in. I often work with numerous files which need common base-corrections as well as individual tweaking – therefore the Develop Persona and working on single files one at a time doesn't cut it for me. I would appreciate better interchange with 3rd party RAW editors, hence sidecar files were very helpful. Affinity still could embed the RAW file along with its settings for compositing with other artwork – but in a way that one can return to the DAM for further tweaking of the input RAW file. Note: This implementation should work equally well for those who voted for 2).
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Keep in mind this thread was not begun by Serif themselves. It was a consumer that posted the poll and comment thread based upon a number of rumors and a few isolated unofficial statements made by for

I voted "no" as I currently use XnView MP to view and organise my files. It has built in support / thumbnail support for almost any file you can think of (including Affinity files) and I have been usi

Just make Aperture again, but better. Done. --Darin

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On 4/14/2020 at 3:04 AM, darinb said:

Just make Aperture again, but better. Done. :)

--Darin

Had Serif purchased the rights to Aperture they would have been set, but that ship has sailed... O.o

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Just came across this topic because of preview and DAM. I tested a few DAM, and there are a lot of differences from small to big, from file management to brand-related, etc... As a DAM manager, I can say it's not easy to find the perfect DAM, and if you find it, this will not be cheap - not for private use.

Nevertheless, for private use there are a few good solutions that are suitable. If someone is technically well versed, he can get the free Pimcore DAM, which can be designed according to your own wishes and also extended. As an alternative for the small purse, I can recommend Eagle (https://eagle.cool). This application also handles the preview of all Affinity programs and costs only $29.95 for a lifetime license! Everything else has already been mentioned.

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9 hours ago, chilacho said:

Just came across this topic because of preview and DAM. I tested a few DAM, and there are a lot of differences from small to big, from file management to brand-related, etc... As a DAM manager, I can say it's not easy to find the perfect DAM, and if you find it, this will not be cheap - not for private use.

Nevertheless, for private use there are a few good solutions that are suitable. If someone is technically well versed, he can get the free Pimcore DAM, which can be designed according to your own wishes and also extended. As an alternative for the small purse, I can recommend Eagle (https://eagle.cool). This application also handles the preview of all Affinity programs and costs only $29.95 for a lifetime license! Everything else has already been mentioned.

Thanks for your suggestion of Eagle. I have been trying  it in a test environment. All files are copied not linked. Sure one can see affinity thumbnails (which you cannot see in Bridge). You can open files in Eagle into Affinity photo. The problem occurs when you want to save or export the files back to Eagle. As far as I can see you have to store stuff in a temporary holding are and the import from there to Eagle. Also the file structure in the library would be a nightmare to untangle should one want to later abandon it.

As far as I can tell Eagle cannot integrate well with any application that generates additional files rather than just modifying existing files. I will leave it installed for the rest of the trial period. Perhaps I have missed some important features.

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30 minutes ago, Amateur John said:

Thanks for your suggestion of Eagle. I have been trying  it in a test environment. All files are copied not linked. Sure one can see affinity thumbnails (which you cannot see in Bridge). You can open files in Eagle into Affinity photo. The problem occurs when you want to save or export the files back to Eagle. As far as I can see you have to store stuff in a temporary holding are and the import from there to Eagle. Also the file structure in the library would be a nightmare to untangle should one want to later abandon it.

As far as I can tell Eagle cannot integrate well with any application that generates additional files rather than just modifying existing files. I will leave it installed for the rest of the trial period. Perhaps I have missed some important features.

When I checked out Eagle, I quickly abandoned it because of its "file Structure".  Not linking files is a deal killer for me.

So far I have been relatively happy with NeoFinder, I am still trialing it but it seems to work fairly well...  It simply links files.

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5 hours ago, Amateur John said:

Thanks for your suggestion of Eagle. I have been trying  it in a test environment. All files are copied not linked. Sure one can see affinity thumbnails (which you cannot see in Bridge). You can open files in Eagle into Affinity photo. The problem occurs when you want to save or export the files back to Eagle. As far as I can see you have to store stuff in a temporary holding are and the import from there to Eagle. Also the file structure in the library would be a nightmare to untangle should one want to later abandon it.

As far as I can tell Eagle cannot integrate well with any application that generates additional files rather than just modifying existing files. I will leave it installed for the rest of the trial period. Perhaps I have missed some important features.

Then this is certainly not for your use case. But a DAM usually has its own structure and does not copy the one not from the desktop, because it is on an external drive/server to which all users have access. So you can't use your local structure. In this case, you might be better off with a file manager that includes a preview for the applications you need. You could look at the new „ACDsee for Mac“ DAM that works with your existing structure, but I don't know if the Affinity apps have previews.

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1 hour ago, chilacho said:

Then this is certainly not for your use case. But a DAM usually has its own structure and does not copy the one not from the desktop, because it is on an external drive/server to which all users have access. So you can't use your local structure. In this case, you might be better off with a file manager that includes a preview for the applications you need. You could look at the new „ACDsee for Mac“ DAM that works with your existing structure, but I don't know if the Affinity apps have previews.

Indeed a DAM does normally use its own structure. My first experience of a simple system now called DAM was a system which I built over 35 years ago. It was for controlling CAD drawings in a multiuser environment. The files were on a server and copies were moved into user directories on the same server.

A later system built with a colleague added functionality for engineers. The new database (now Oracle) and drawing files were on a server. The user interface was built with Oracle forms and the stuff hidden from end users was written in C and SQL. That sort of system is not what is needed for a single user system. I have been retired over 25 years and my skills with C ,Oracle 8 and Oracle forms are long forgotten.

What is needed is something like LR. The database needs to run without the services of a DBA. LR uses a local SQLite which is perfect for the job. I have not investigated neoFinder or abeMeda in detail but it seems to use a similar system. Ideally one needs to be able to recover all files even if the DAM becomes obsolete. That seems to be the case for LR and abeMeda. Extracting the files from Eagle without Eagle would be very laborious. Eagle seems not to use a proper database. I see it as very ingenious but a dead end.

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25 minutes ago, Amateur John said:

Indeed a DAM does normally use its own structure. My first experience of a simple system now called DAM was a system which I built over 35 years ago. It was for controlling CAD drawings in a multiuser environment. The files were on a server and copies were moved into user directories on the same server.

A later system built with a colleague added functionality for engineers. The new database (now Oracle) and drawing files were on a server. The user interface was built with Oracle forms and the stuff hidden from end users was written in C and SQL. That sort of system is not what is needed for a single user system. I have been retired over 25 years and my skills with C ,Oracle 8 and Oracle forms are long forgotten.

What is needed is something like LR. The database needs to run without the services of a DBA. LR uses a local SQLite which is perfect for the job. I have not investigated neoFinder or abeMeda in detail but it seems to use a similar system. Ideally one needs to be able to recover all files even if the DAM becomes obsolete. That seems to be the case for LR and abeMeda. Extracting the files from Eagle without Eagle would be very laborious. Eagle seems not to use a proper database. I see it as very ingenious but a dead end.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like what you're looking for. Personally, I wouldn't necessarily call it a DAM either. If you want to be able to copy or move your data 1:1 again and keep the structure, it's certainly not suitable for that.

Neofinder I had also used for a while, even back when it was still called CDFinder I had it once in use, but with this interface I just can not make friends. abeMeda looks pretty similar, also there is no Mac variant. Otherwise, as I said, maybe ACDSee Photo Studio is an alternative for you?

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Dear all, 

 

References to XNview and other tools looks like metadata management is important for many of us. 

This does not make these tools real DAM tools as far as I am concerned. Limited search capabilities do not help.

I would suggest Serif managment to look at Daminion. See https://daminion.net/feature-tour/daminion-server/

The free version can manage up to 15.000 pictures per database. Paid versions ar affordable as single user. There are ways to upgrade for teams and share files management through the cloud.

This is a powerful tool that covers JPG but also PDF and many other formats. It is geared to document files, but also to retrieve them by various search facilities

Bulk functions are very powerful

Regards, Philippe

 

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On 12/19/2020 at 3:39 PM, KC Honie said:

 Not linking files is a deal killer for me.

This.

They will have to pry my iView/Expression Media from my cold, dead hands. Now if only I could make it see my Affinity documents :( (There is a way by assigning each Affinity document a fake MacOS type & creator code – e.g. something like "AFFN" – but that's definitely an ugly and tedious workaround. It also works with file extensions but only up to 4 characters. Damn *.afpub *.afdesign *.afphoto!)
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thing is NeoFinder (user since 2001 while it still was CDFinder), but its roots and strengths are definitely elsewhere, even though the new "Albums" at least attempt to somewhat mimic the iView killer feature that are Sets.

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After switching from Adobe, I discovered Neofinder as my DAM to my complete satisfaction.

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2 minutes ago, EddCh said:

Has Nikon shooters seen or tried their new NX Studio app? As far as free v1.0 goes, it's not half bad.

https://www.nikon.com/news/2021/0304_soft_01.htm

Yep. Tried it. Don't care for it. However, it's the best way of achieving on your desktop computer the identical results you'd get from the in-camera JPEG. So I agree... for free it's there as an option. However, it's nothing at all like a true DAM. It's simply for browsing, editing, and processing Nikon raw files.

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Yep. Tried it. Don't care for it. However, it's the best way of achieving on your desktop computer the identical results you'd get from the in-camera JPEG. So I agree... for free it's there as an option. 

Yeah, as far as it stands, it's not going to replace Capture One Pro (or even Aperture) for me – but I think I will keep an eye on its future development.

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Its nothing to do with DAM.

It does give a very good raw conversion with raw edits in a sidecar file. It is probably the best Nikon raw converter.

It does not have any of the advantages of Affinity for ambitious editing.

A problem with it is that it can not open a file in another application such as Affinity or even the unmentionable using a hidden 16 bit tiff file. Even  NX-D can do that. If Nikon fix the obvious bugs and omissions then Studio could become a good front end to Affinity.

We still require an alternative to LR for DAM. DAM does not seem to be within Affinity's realm of expertise. That is not a criticism. Affinity is a company of creatives. DAM depends on database experts. The difference between artists and technical nerds. perhaps?

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