David Willner Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just downloaded Affinity Publisher - any plans to support r-to-l in any of your products? I have many clients who need English and Hebrew support and would value having something other than Adobe to make use of. Haluna, somnolentsurfer, Weekend and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behnam Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I second David request. But if you are committed to support RTL (for Hebrew, Persian, Arabic etc.) then DO IT NOW! before it gets too complicated. It’s like Ginger & Fred. Everything Fred Astaire does, Ginger Rogers does too, but backward (and with high heels)! Glicky, HalHart, eurime and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesha Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I am third, please support RTL. your apps are amazing. Tony W, eurime and Glicky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musaed Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I fully agree. Without R-to-L and complex script support Affinity's lovely products will NEVER compete against Adobe and others. Tony W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I believe some traditional Japanese texts actually run top-to-bottom (a "line" is written as a column) then right-to-left? eurime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Thompson Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 To add to this discussion, it's not just RTL support, but also support for complex scripts that's currently missing. If I paste Hindi into Affinity Publisher, the letters don't appear in the correct order, notably in the word Hindi (हिंदी) itself! If I type Devanagari k-virama-r, the virama remains visible and the 'k' and 'r' don't combine as they should However, there is some contextual shape-changing already present: if I type in Arabic bab (باب) = door, the first 'b' correctly changes shape, but incorrecly stays at the left end of the word. I appreciate there's more work to be done, but as mentioned above, surely it's better to build in support for non-Latin scripts early rather than nail it on later (InDesign) or not at all (Quark). Good luck Haluna, PaoloT and eurime 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancher Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 3:56 PM, Chris Thompson said: To add to this discussion, it's not just RTL support, but also support for complex scripts that's currently missing. [cut] I appreciate there's more work to be done, but as mentioned above, surely it's better to build in support for non-Latin scripts early rather than nail it on later (InDesign) or not at all (Quark). This is absolutely true. There is not only a big need for complex scripts and non-Latin typesetting at the document level, but also at the paragraph and word level as well. It really needs to be considered from the beginning, not as an add-on down the road. Tony W and eurime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musaed Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 10:47 PM, Rancher said: This is absolutely true. There is not only a big need for complex scripts and non-Latin typesetting at the document level, but also at the paragraph and word level as well. It really needs to be considered from the beginning, not as an add-on down the road. Add to that the need to support RTL page and section order. Tony W and eurime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figarojew Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Another request for RTL support. I have that support in Apple Pages and even in Swift Publisher 5 of all places! It's a must for me! Tony W and eurime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birn Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Yes, Hebrew in English or German texts is my daily bread – please add Right-to-Left support as soon as possible! Tony W and eurime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amirzelcer@gmail.com Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Same here - Please add R2L eurime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurime Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 They've made it painfully clear that this way down the road map. As in waaaaaay down. Which is disappointing, to be honest. Us designers are supposed to communicate a MESSAGE in what we design and not having the ability to properly use languages is just utterly crippling. It took Adobe years before they finally brought in. Serif does NOT have to do the same. I made a thread on this ages ago: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enq Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Hi, is there any plans to release a Hebrew Arabic support in the near future or do I have to buy InDesign? It would be very disappointing because I like your products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musaed Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 @enq It appears that you need to keep subscribing to inDesign "for years to come"... to quote Afinity's ominous statements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enq Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 i hope not :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalSh Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Would it be possible to get an official response on this issue? Serif's vision for a professional grade suite of apps can't be taken seriously if a large part of the population can't use it. Even more infuriating is the fact that even the beta version of Publisher, a desktop PUBLISHING app, doesn't yet support RTL languages. Inkscape, GIMP and photopea and Scribus all have better native RTL support, and are all available for free. How is this even possible? And how has an alternate solution not been presented yet? Even a simple 'flip text' button would do the trick until further support is implemented. The lack of support is surprising enough, but the vague responses are downright insulting, and disastrous from a PR perspective. Saying RTL support isn't considered a top priority is surprising, to say the least. I am aware that we are a minority, but we are also paying customers and I believe we are entitled to more than a generic response. Haluna 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted November 21, 2018 Staff Share Posted November 21, 2018 Hi TalSh, Welcome to Affinity Forums We already replied to this question quite a few times on these forums. We do hope to add right-to-left support, but it won't be any time soon. If you do a search for RTL you will find quite a few threads discussing this subject.. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalSh Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Thank you for the welcome. Your reply doesn't address my points. I believe the fact you've replied to this question 'a few' times' only stresses its importance. I also couldn't find any discussions on this issue. Just requests for implementation and vague responses about ever growing time frames. I believe this is a 'feature' that has been requested since 2015. Why is this not yet considered a top priority? bab25 and Haluna 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted November 21, 2018 Staff Share Posted November 21, 2018 Hi TalSh, It 's important as are several other features requested/planned for future updates but the dev teams can't do all at once. If you take a look around you will see that other users have their own features they think are top priorities too - RTL support however will only be implemented much later - we already have roadmaps defined and we are trying to follow them as closely as possible. Maybe @Dave Harris can be more specific about the reasons for this. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris26 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I have a suggestion, unfortunately I am not a script writer otherwise I would do this. I installed a RTL script into my adobe creative suite some years ago. It works an absolute treat, one simply writes left to right and then presses a shortcut key and it switches to RTL. Maybe someone could write a quick script - this would solve a short term need surely?. By the way if anyone wants the script I will happily upload it here. Haluna and TalSh 2 Quote Microsoft - Like entering your home and opening the stainless steel kitchen door, with a Popup: 'Do you really want to open this door'? Then looking for the dishwasher and finding it stored in the living room where you have to download a water supply from the app store, then you have to buy microsoft compliant soap, remove the carpet only to be told that it is glued to the floor.. Don't forget to make multiple copies of your front door key and post them to all who demand access to all the doors inside your home including the windows and outside shed. Apple - Like entering your home and opening the oak framed Kitchen door and finding the dishwasher right in front you ready to be switched on, soap supplied, and water that comes through a water softener. Ah the front door key is yours and it only needs to open the front door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I don't think there's much more to say. We have our own code to compose and render text, and this does not support r2l languages. Adding that support will be a huge job. We're choosing to focus on other areas first. We're aware that will leave many potential international customers unable to use our products, and we're sorry. All we can do is be as upfront as we can about the likely time scales, so you aren't misled into thinking it will be available sooner than it will. MEB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalSh Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 11/22/2018 at 3:06 PM, Dave Harris said: We have our own code to compose and render text, and this does not support r2l languages. Adding that support will be a huge job. We're choosing to focus on other areas first. But what about to allow scripts, sooner or later? Such an interface could satisfy particular user needs – from tiny to big markets – without making you any trouble once the interface is available. Haluna 1 Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 11 hours ago, thomaso said: But what about to allow scripts, sooner or later? Such an interface could satisfy particular user needs – from tiny to big markets – without making you any trouble once the interface is available. I think we'll have some kind of scripting, but I've no idea what or when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Dave Harris said: I think we'll have some kind of scripting, but I've no idea what or when. The indications are that it’s likely to be JavaScript (rather than, say, Python) but there have been no hints about the timescale for implementation. Migo Photos 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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