Advanced Page Management: Multiple Pages Feature

[Hangman]

When a multipage spread is exported using Chapter as Pages, cross-reference hyperlinks always lead to the first page of a Chapter.

Steps to Reproduce

1. Create Multipage Book Chapters then add them to a Book
2. Add Cross References within the same Chapter or between Chapters
3. Export the Book using All Chapters as Pages
4. All Cross Reference Links fail to show the cross-reference target page instead showing the first page of the respective Chapter

Note: Interestingly, this fails in v2.5.5 as well though the issue there is that any cross-reference that targets a right-facing page, displays the corresponding left-facing page instead...

[fde101]

13 minutes ago, loukash said:

Just set up your tiled design with Artboards in Designer (persona or app) first, then move over to Publisher

If you have both apps you can create artboard-based documents in Publisher by switching to the Designer persona and creating the document there.

You need to make sure facing pages and create master are turned off and that you haven't requested more than one page, or the option to create an artboard when creating the document will be disabled.

[Viktor CR]

4 hours ago, loukash said:

Just set up your tiled design with Artboards in Designer

How do you have one layer or image spread over multiple Artboards and stay in place consistently, whether you move Artboards or reposition the image?

[Hangman]

Placing a multipage PDF or Publisher file into a multi-row, multipage Publisher spread positions all placed pages on the first row, overlapping already-placed pages.

Steps to Reproduce

1. Create a ten-page Spread in Publisher
2. Reposition the even pages to form a second row below the odd pages
3. Place a multipage PDF or Publisher file in the Publisher document
4. Placed pages 6 to 10 overlay placed pages 1 to 5 in the first row

Expectation

• The even-numbered pages from the source file would flow to the even-numbered pages in the target Publisher document...

[loukash]

1 hour ago, Viktor CR said:

How do you have one layer or image spread over multiple Artboards and stay in place consistently, whether you move Artboards or reposition the image?

So many possibilities… especially since using Designer Artboards used to be the actual workaround for the lack of multipage spreads in Publisher.
For example here:

^ It's a long thread so there are likely more examples that me and others have posted.

Or here's something:

But if you need to know more, please post a separate thread or join an existing one on that very topic.

[Viktor CR]

43 minutes ago, loukash said:

So many possibilities

43 minutes ago, loukash said:

workaround

indeed, I agree. It has always been a messy approach, where you first had to get the common object (e.g. a symbol) aligned on all Artboards — painstakingly. And woe, if you wanted to adjust things after the fact … SO error prone.

The question was, if the features shown in this beta make sense to have (the offset), and we have seen sufficient examples even of past attempts for workarounds, that it indeed does seem to make sense to Designers out there, who are currently having to break their fingers to get it working, just like me.

In my observation, it's a good and necessary feature, that should be pursued further and given a polish where necessary.

[Maxdanger]

On 10/23/2024 at 10:36 AM, Jon P said:

Hey @Petar Petrenko

Thanks for this, I've reproduced and logged it

Hey @Jon P,

As a suggestion on the crop marks, it would be really helpful to have a control for how far away from the page content they appear. I've just submitted a book cover design and the publishing house came back and asked for the crop marks to be at least 2mm away from the content to avoid them being included in the final print. I had to manually adjust the marks in the output pdf as there was no way as far as I could tell to specify the gap.

[fde101]

12 hours ago, Maxdanger said:

asked for the crop marks to be at least 2mm away from the content

Wouldn't that be solved by adding 2mm of bleed area?

[Petar Petrenko]

1 hour ago, fde101 said:

Wouldn't that be solved by adding 2mm of bleed area?

No, it wouldn't. By adding 2 mm you will only make bleed area bigger, but the crop marks will be at the same position. Crop marks are positioned partly in the bleed area and in InDesign you can change their distance from the page so they can be positioned even outside bleed area.

 

[Jon P]

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As a suggestion on the crop marks, it would be really helpful to have a control for how far away from the page content they appear.

I've logged an improvement to add the ability to offset printer marks when outputting to PDF

[fde101]

1 hour ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Crop marks are positioned partly in the bleed area

I haven't had a need to use them (yet) so had not come across this particular issue, but shouldn't that be treated as a bug?  Or perhaps a design flaw?

Crop marks should be limited to the slug area, I would think?

[Petar Petrenko]

38 minutes ago, fde101 said:

Crop marks should be limited to the slug area, I would think?

No, they are independent from the slug area.

[Dazmondo77]

2 hours ago, Jon P said:

I've logged an improvement to add the ability to offset printer marks when outputting to PDF

Adding fold marks to the printers marks would be a massive help, but still need a printable / pdf-able slug area, for muti-page spreads to be a killer feature 

[anto]

You can't resize pages in a single Spread Properties window. To resize all pages, you need to open the properties three times and resize each page at a time. This is a bug i think.

 

 

[Hangman]

51 minutes ago, anto said:

You can't resize pages in a single Spread Properties window. To resize all pages, you need to open the properties three times and resize each page at a time. This is a bug i think.

This is how it works in v2.5.5 and how it has always worked...

The issue was raised earlier in this thread. I completely agree that the current behaviour could and should be improved. The obvious expectation is to be able to modify the size of all pages in a spread in a single Spread Properties session rather than having to update pages one by one, more so with multipage spreads where the current process is tedious...

Hopefully, we'll see this behaviour introduced in a 2.6.X update...

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Margins for Centre Pages of a Multipage Spread Don't Reflect the Values Set in the Spread Properties Panel" (REF: AF-4883) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2861). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Master Page Properties dialog cuts of 'Scale' options" (REF: AF-4836) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2861). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Cross Reference Hyperlinks Always Lead to the First Page of a Chapter When A Multipage Spread is Exported Using Chapter as Pages" (REF: AF-4890) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2861). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Making Updates to a Multipage Master Spread Fails to Show the UI Background Once Pages Have Been Repositioned" (REF: AF-4841) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2861). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Apply Master dialog isn't dismissed when clicking OK if a Master Page is being viewed" (REF: AF-4847) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2861). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Master Page Properties dialog is too short in German" (REF: AF-4835) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2861). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[StuartRc]

Hi
Just a bit of feedback now that I have had chance to play around with the new features....

I really like these new options!😀...So much potential! but I have some Queries! or issues😀 

1. Created a Trifold A4 just to play around with the settings and layout options. (A4 X3 Spread margin +3mm Bleed) [630 x 297mm]
This worked well didn't have any real issues establishing a layout...
2. So tried a bit more complex...Can you use a Trifold Layout (Centre) to build an inner page comic strip with template options?

With the Previous template/s I attempted relied upon facing pages | Margins and Columns to define the position of the panels and tiers In this case although it seemed to be a  simple exercise..Using a spread proved to be a bit more challenging! (More weird Stuff!)

So
Trifold 3 page A4 Spread +Bleed + Margins
a. Wanted to make use of multiple or Hierarchy of Masters to control/introduce layouts | Column | Tiers | Panels [Drag +alt Drag]
b. Add Mask Assets as previous method (needs new much wider layouts)(This will all work just need to get the sizes)
c. Add Block Panels as Assets (needs new layouts)

Notes
a. Columns appear to be be reliant on the page and margin rather than spread. Such that you can adjust the Page Margins independently/page but this affects the column layout so it is difficult without manually adjusting blocking layout | Guides to balance the columns across the pages of a spread. It would be useful for the column | guide options to take into consideration the spread dimensions or have the option of Columns to page | Columns to spreads
b. Alignment of objects seems also to be reliant on a page rather than spread. When you select 'align to centre' : The selected object is centred in relation to the spread rather than page. Could there be an option to align to the selected page in the spread rather than just to the spread.
c. Copy and paste tends to paste back onto the page from which it was copied rather than the page you have selected in the Pages Panel
d. Label. (Edit Spread) I like the idea of Labels being added to the Master Template > Spread Properties. (Reflects in Layers). I sort of though this would be a good feature for pages but not essential. I am not sure whether there is a bug here; but you can actually edit a label field in the Spread Set Up (Masters). When you switch from Spread to Pages. Both the tab and input field appear but input is ignored when you close the panel!....Is this a bug! or work in progress.. ? (Edit:Not occurring in New Beta: [2861])
e. Maybe need to manually add spacers and align guides

Samples as below


  

[Clayton King]

I'm beyond excited to see this feature added - I've been looking for it since v1! But here's a really dumb question/issue... I can't find how to PRINT my 3-page spread. For example, I have a tri-fold comprised of six pages- 3 pages per spread. I want to print them and the print dialogue doesn't show me the option for spreads. I'm thinking it's a setting in the new document setup dialogue, but can't figure it out.

Thanks, everyone!

[loukash]

Extend Spread doesn't seem to work as I would expect it.

When I start here:

… I want to add the left Master B page to the left of page 5, so that the 3rd spread matches the extended pages 3+4 when printed.

These options should logically give me the expected result as seen in the last screenshot:

However, this is what I get, with the last page being pushed to the right side of the spine:

 

This is what I would expect to get:

^ The workaround was to add an additional temporary spread inbetween, extend it and then delete the last two pages.

(I hope that makes sense )

Edited November 14 by loukash

[Hangman]

When a Master with No Reflow Through Spread is applied to Publication pages those pages have Reflow Through Spread enabled...

Steps to Reproduce

1. Create a single, facing-page Publisher document
2. Select Add Master from the Master Pages section of the Pages panel
3. Change Page Layout to Ambidextrous from the Document Setup dialog’s Model tab and uncheck Reflow Pages
4. Click OK
5. From the Document Setup dialog’s Model tab check Reflow Pages and uncheck Facing Pages
6. Click OK
7. This leaves Master B set to No Reflow Through Spread and creates a Master C
8. Add 3 new pages using Master B with Spread Wrapping set to Flow Pages or apply Master B to existing pages
9. The new pages have Reflow Through Spread enabled

Expectation

• It shouldn't be possible to enable or disable Reflow Through Spread on a Master page
• If this is expected behaviour applying a Master with Reflow Through Spread disabled should honour the setting when applied to Publication pages