Petar Petrenko Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 3 hours ago, Clayton King said: I'm beyond excited to see this feature added - I've been looking for it since v1! But here's a really dumb question/issue... I can't find how to PRINT my 3-page spread. For example, I have a tri-fold comprised of six pages- 3 pages per spread. I want to print them and the print dialogue doesn't show me the option for spreads. I'm thinking it's a setting in the new document setup dialogue, but can't figure it out. Thanks, everyone! Choose "All Spreads" from "Area" when exporting PDF. Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100)
Clayton King Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 1 hour ago, Petar Petrenko said: Choose "All Spreads" from "Area" when exporting PDF. Thanks. But I'm not exporting - I'm printing. So for example, if I want to print my trifold on 8 1/2 x 11 paper, how do I do that? Quote
Oufti Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 Export to PDF, then print the PDF… (I know it's another apparently unnecessary step but in practice, I found that it's the preferable way to print something from Aff Pub.) loukash and PaulEC 2 Quote Affinity Suite 2.5 – Monterey 12.7.5 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue.
MikeTO Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 5 hours ago, loukash said: Extend Spread doesn't seem to work as I would expect it. When I start here: … I want to add the left Master B page to the left of page 5, so that the 3rd spread matches the extended pages 3+4 when printed. These options should logically give me the expected result as seen in the last screenshot: However, this is what I get, with the last page being pushed to the right side of the spine: This is what I would expect to get: I don't believe this is a bug, it's just not working the way you're expecting. You're trying to add the left page of a facing-page spread before the left page of a facing-page spread that has Reflow Through Spread selected. Just like in 2.5, this will reflow that left page 5 to become a right page 6. To do what you want (keep page 5 on the left side of the spine along with the newly-inserted page), you must first select the spread with page 5, choose Spread Properties, and deselect Reflow Through Spread. Grey brackets will appear around the spread to indicate that pages will not flow through it. Publisher 2.6 will have the world's most advanced spread management features but this power comes with some complexity. I know a thing or two about designing multi-page spread features but it took me a while to figure out, too. I've finished writing this section for my manual so perhaps I will give it a quick review and share that section here. Oufti and loukash 2 Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.3, MacBook Pro (M4 Pro) and iPad Air (M2)
Petar Petrenko Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 4 hours ago, Clayton King said: Thanks. But I'm not exporting - I'm printing. So for example, if I want to print my trifold on 8 1/2 x 11 paper, how do I do that? First PDF then print. Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100)
StuartRc Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 Hi I have another Query regarding the Editing created\existing Master Spreads While trying to create this Comic template 'thing' I decided to simplify the layout slightly. This included adjusting the Margins in 'Edit Spreads'. With a 3 PP Trifold the bottom margin needed to be adjusted (19 > (10 | 9 mm)). So a. In edit spread panel change to Pages. (or Click on right list) (Highlights as added recently! Nice!) b. Select the margins tab and edit margin of each page c. Unfortunately when you edit and move to next page in spread | list. and try to change the next margin. I keep finding that when go back to previously edited page the new settings originally accepted are then ignored. (a bit like margin groundhog day!) d. It appears that the logic of editing the margins on separate spread pages within the Edit Spread Panel in a single pass is a bit lost. I fixed it by selecting a page. making the change to the margin and then closing the panel + repeat... can be a bit cumbersome especially if you have a lot of pages in the spread: PS:Edit Edit Spreads is not listed in the 4 thread split Quote Affinity Version 1 (10.6) Affinity Version 2.5.7.2948 All (Designer | Photo | Publisher) Beta; 2.6.0.3106 OS:Windows 10 Pro 22H2 OS Build 19045.5371+ Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.19060.1000.0 Rig:AMD FX 8350 and AMD Radeon (R9 380 Series) Settings Version 21.04.01 Radeon Settings Version 2020 20.1.03) + Wacom Intuous 4M with driver 6.3.41-1
loukash Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 4 hours ago, MikeTO said: To do what you want (keep page 5 on the left side of the spine along with the newly-inserted page), you must first select the spread with page 5, choose Spread Properties, and deselect Reflow Through Spread. Grey brackets will appear around the spread to indicate that pages will not flow through it. Doesn't seems so: The spine will still shift. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2
loukash Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 4 hours ago, MikeTO said: it's just not working the way you're expecting This is the… uh… workaround that does what I'm expecting: apu_260b_extend_spread_6.mp4 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2
MikeTO Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 Forgive me for posting this here instead of in v2 feedback but this is where we're talking about the Pages panel. To add a master page, we can click the Add Master button or right-click the masters section of the panel and choose Insert Master. I believe they should be named consistently as they do the same thing. 1 hour ago, loukash said: Doesn't seems so: The spine will still shift. I apologize, I didn't actually test it when replying. I've created hundreds and hundreds of spreads now while testing this and writing the manual so I thought I knew how it worked. Either I was mistaken or it's changed in the latest beta. Here's an example with abbreviations to indicate the master and side. You'll note that spread 4 is master A, left. I then insert 1 page before it based on master B. You and I would expect to have the new page be a BL page followed by the old page 4 based on AL. But we get BL to the left of the spine and AL to the right. As you've discovered, you have to do a bit of a song and a dance to get the spine where you want, especially since there's no easy way to move a spine. Here's another example. I do the same thing, add a single page before page 4 but this time based on master C, a 3-page master. You and I might expect to get a page CL before the existing page 4 AL, but instead I get CM on the left of the spine and AL on the right. I'm not entirely sure why I'm getting the middle of the 3-page spread to the left, perhaps because it's the master page closest to the spine. IMO, Affinity's approach to multi-page spreads works best if you create a master the way you want the spread to appear and then create the spread based on the master. Creating a multi-page spread based on 2-page masters will just lead to confusing results. Oufti 1 Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.3, MacBook Pro (M4 Pro) and iPad Air (M2)
Oufti Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 5 hours ago, MikeTO said: IMO, Affinity's approach to multi-page spreads works best if you create a master the way you want the spread to appear and then create the spread based on the master. Creating a multi-page spread based on 2-page masters will just lead to confusing results. The same was already true before, when – if you work with spreads – it's easier to create one or multiple facing pages masters than applying single page masters. Quote Affinity Suite 2.5 – Monterey 12.7.5 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue.
MikeW Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 18 hours ago, MikeTO said: ... Publisher 2.6 will have the world's most advanced spread management features but this power comes with some complexity. ... I have a feeling I should have remained quite and not gotten into this subject. Just how complex should adding masters and adding pages to multi-page spreads be? From reading through this and other threads about this new addition since the announcement, I have been simultaneously amazed and bewildered. Some of the new "capabilities" and how they are implemented seem like something only a programmer will truly love and appreciate... If Serif had polled a hundred people involved in layout day in, day out, would any of them requested the full extent of the way this feature is being implemented? Would any of them said, "Hey, I would like to add 5" between spreads?" Or, "I want/need crazy vertical offsets?" I probably have live a very mundane layout life. All I have ever wanted is to quickly define master pages and drag them from a master page panel and drop them beside an existing page to build multi-page spreads. In a handful of jobs destined for wire-o when built using facing pages and desiring to keep them as facing pages, the need to split pages away from the spine has happened a handful of times in 30 or so years. I can accomplish both of those quickly in ID. So I am obviously missing the point of all this "power and complexity" for real-life work. Meliora spero, Circulus and Patrick Connor 3 Quote
MikeTO Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 1 hour ago, MikeW said: Just how complex should adding masters and adding pages to multi-page spreads be? From reading through this and other threads about this new addition since the announcement, I have been simultaneously amazed and bewildered. Some of the new "capabilities" and how they are implemented seem like something only a programmer will truly love and appreciate... If Serif had polled a hundred people involved in layout day in, day out, would any of them requested the full extent of the way this feature is being implemented? Would any of them said, "Hey, I would like to add 5" between spreads?" Or, "I want/need crazy vertical offsets?" I probably have live a very mundane layout life. All I have ever wanted is to quickly define master pages and drag them from a master page panel and drop them beside an existing page to build multi-page spreads. In a handful of jobs destined for wire-o when built using facing pages and desiring to keep them as facing pages, the need to split pages away from the spine has happened a handful of times in 30 or so years. I can accomplish both of those quickly in ID. So I am obviously missing the point of all this "power and complexity" for real-life work. These bells and whistles are required for certain use cases. But the vast majority of users will never use them and now the interface may confuse the average user. There are things that could be done to simplify the interface. For example, I'd change the Add Master dialog as follows: Change "Page Layout > Ambidextrous|Facing" to a Facing Pages checkbox which would match New Document and Document Setup and eliminate the Ambidextrous term. Hide or disable "Page Count" if "Facing Pages" is not selected. Hide or disable "Spine Location > Before|After" and "Page" # unless "Page Count" is > 2. garrettm30 and fde101 2 Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.3, MacBook Pro (M4 Pro) and iPad Air (M2)
MikeW Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 What is a use case for say a 2" or more gap between spreads? Or a 2" or more vertical shift for one or more sides of a spread? Or both a horizontal and vertical shift? I am truly interested in the why of it all. Quote
Oufti Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 45 minutes ago, MikeW said: What is a use case for say a 2" or more gap between spreads? Or a 2" or more vertical shift for one or more sides of a spread? Or both a horizontal and vertical shift? Examples of kind of checkerboards combined posters have been discussed previously. Not absolutely convincing in lmy opinion but worth of consideration: Quote Affinity Suite 2.5 – Monterey 12.7.5 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue.
MikeW Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 22 minutes ago, Oufti said: Examples of kind of checkerboards combined posters have been discussed previously. Not absolutely convincing in lmy opinion but worth of consideration: Yes, I saw that and others. Absolutely not needed. Eventually, such work needs output. Which likely will be single page pdfs, not as spreads. So I fail to see the point. lacerto and Circulus 2 Quote
MikeTO Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 17 hours ago, MikeTO said: Forgive me for posting this here instead of in v2 feedback but this is where we're talking about the Pages panel. To add a master page, we can click the Add Master button or right-click the masters section of the panel and choose Insert Master. I believe they should be named consistently as they do the same thing. I learned today that the context menu version of this command is named Insert Master instead of Add Master when you right-click in the panel because the new master will be inserted where you click instead of adding it to the end of the list of masters like the Add Master command does. This is inconsistent with Add Pages which is not named Insert Pages if you right-click in the panel. I tried it out and sure enough it does insert rather than append, but not reliably. Right-clicking not only opens the context menu, it selects the closest master, at least on macOS. The new master is always inserted after the selected master so it will only be inserted between the masters where you clicked if you clicked closer to the master after which you want to insert rather than closer to the master before which you want to insert. Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.3, MacBook Pro (M4 Pro) and iPad Air (M2)
Clayton King Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 On 11/14/2024 at 5:22 PM, Petar Petrenko said: First PDF then print. This seems like an unnecessary step. Besides which I pretty much despise using Acrobat for printing - particularly imposed pieces. We have invested in a very high end color printer with binding and folding capability. On a simple trifold, we currently just print it, albeit manually laid out. My hope was that multi-page spreads would allow for both proper placement and output capability that was direct to printer so this additional step would be unnecessary. For example, below is a trifold done with multipage spreads. The document has six pages and two spreads. When I print, I would like it to follow the conventions in red (i.e., page 1 cover appears on the right, page 2 appears on the left, etc., so that system page numbers correspond with the actual placement. Then, when exporting for an online pdf version, the pages are exportable as separate pages - not spreads. This option is not available in the current export dialogue (2nd image). Quote
Circulus Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 Perhaps play with your printer settings. I just made this crude example with my print settings. Quote I think Serif wants us to be only creative in finding workarounds to use their tools. I have an affinity with Jumping through Hoops and over Humps. Dealing with Speedbumps and finding Work-A-Roundabouts. I'm getting dizzy from all that spinning and jumping.
Clayton King Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 21 minutes ago, Return said: Perhaps play with your printer settings. I just made this crude example with my print settings. Thanks for taking the time, but I'm not clear on what it is you're doing here. I have two issues: 1. If I manually page number the pages as in my post (see red numbers), printing is simple. However, if I want to print a PAGE, not a SPREAD, that isn't possible in the current print dialogue. 2. I can't export pages - only spreads - to PDF. And because of that and the issue above (i.e., page numbers are apparently assigned left to right, regardless of settings), I am unable to export a pdf of pages in order (red numbers) for sharing to read online. Quote
Circulus Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 I didn't start out with (facing page)spreads but I extended my single page layout and therefor it will print/export all pages instead of spreads. Just save your afpub file and place it in a new document and duplicate the page as many times you want to export. On the toolbar it will show a dropdown to the pages from your original file>choose which one you want to use and export this instead of the original to be read online. Quote I think Serif wants us to be only creative in finding workarounds to use their tools. I have an affinity with Jumping through Hoops and over Humps. Dealing with Speedbumps and finding Work-A-Roundabouts. I'm getting dizzy from all that spinning and jumping.
Hangman Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 1 hour ago, Clayton King said: Then, when exporting for an online pdf version, the pages are exportable as separate pages - not spreads. This option is not available in the current export dialogue (2nd image). Hi @Clayton King, To export as separate pages rather than spreads, you'd need to set your document up using Facing Pages... Trifold.mp4 loukash, Oufti and garrettm30 3 Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.3106 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.3106 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.3106 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse
Old Bruce Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 2 hours ago, Clayton King said: For example, below is a trifold done with multipage spreads. The document has six pages and two spreads. When I print, I would like it to follow the conventions in red (i.e., page 1 cover appears on the right, page 2 appears on the left, etc.,... Where is Page 3? Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Circulus Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 18 minutes ago, Hangman said: To export as separate pages rather than spreads, you'd need to set your document up using Facing Pages... Well then there seems to be an omission here on win11 because the "all pages" is the default for exporting single page setup. But doesn't seem to divide the pages as single pages. 2024-11-16 17-12-12.mp4 Quote I think Serif wants us to be only creative in finding workarounds to use their tools. I have an affinity with Jumping through Hoops and over Humps. Dealing with Speedbumps and finding Work-A-Roundabouts. I'm getting dizzy from all that spinning and jumping.
Hangman Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 26 minutes ago, Return said: Well then there seems to be an omission here on win11 because the "all pages" is the default for exporting single page setup. But doesn't seem to divide the pages as single pages. It will but only if the pages are non-sequential which may be a bug but equally why I'm suggesting using facing pages since that works even with sequential pages when exporting using All Pages... Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.3106 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.3106 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.3106 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse
Circulus Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 53 minutes ago, Hangman said: It will but only if the pages are non-sequential which may be a bug but equally why I'm suggesting using facing pages since that works even with sequential pages when exporting using All Pages... Yes it does work non-sequentially which seems strange for single page layout. Although extended, it should imo export single pages sequentially as it does print single pages sequentially. I would think it would be rather the other way around for not being able to export single pages when a spread layout is set up. So it is an omission or it should be possible in both setups. Quote I think Serif wants us to be only creative in finding workarounds to use their tools. I have an affinity with Jumping through Hoops and over Humps. Dealing with Speedbumps and finding Work-A-Roundabouts. I'm getting dizzy from all that spinning and jumping.
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