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For my work, I produce large stickers/car vinyls that need the artwork broken up onto separate panels.  I rely on artwork to go across multiples Artboards, so I can export the artboards out as different panels at the correct size I need.  Designer does not allow graphics to overlap onto multiple artboards.  So therefore, I have to stick with Illustrator for the time being.

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On 11/27/2019 at 11:55 AM, MEB said:

Hi Graphics Chris,
Welcome to Affinity Forums :)
Can't you use a regular document (no artboards) with the panels separated/marked by guides and create manual slices (in Export Persona) for each panel which can then be exported with bleed/crop marks each if necessary?

That might be an option for Chris' specific use case, but the last time I checked Designer wouldn't produce PDF pages with bleeds from slices, only from artboards. Will that option be added in 1.8?

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Anyway, guys, this happened: the 1.8 branch will somewhat solve this issue, even in multi-artboard documents, and allow you to export objects spanning two or even more artboards.

The “fix” is not ideal, as you'll still have to manually fiddle with your layer ordering and give up the ability of changing to a different active layer just by directly clicking  on the canvas an object from another layer (as having the “Edit all layers” toggle turned off basically forces you to manually switch the active layer by selecting it in the Layers panel), but it may very well get the job done and, if it gets some further improvements (such as the ability to directly switch layers on the canvas by, say, pressing a modifier key while clicking an object, as suggested in the linked thread), it may end up being almost as practical as using good ol' Ai:

As you may guess, I still have my reservations over Serif's Layers panel nesting behaviour, but this model at least finally allows us to have their pie and eat our cake, too.

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On 3/23/2019 at 9:03 AM, Lumination said:

I know it's about died, but this topic should not be dropped. Having heard such good things about Affinity Photo, I figured I could nab both Photo and Designer to make my life easier and escape Adobe's clutches.

Imagine my shock and dismay when I go to open my first .AI as a test in Designer to find that the majority of the data in the file is gone due to being outside the artboard. The only way to save this information, that I've found, is to expand the artboard in Illustrator and then open it in Designer. I understand this is an issue that likely can never be fixed due to the importing process, but the true issue is what follows.

Using an expanded artboard, once opened in Desginer, trying to edit the artboard smaller again makes everything outside of it completely invisible and essentially useless.

In an INCREDIBLY roundabout method, I can make my old .AIs pretty close to how they are presented originally in Illustrator by:
1) Opening the file in Illustrator and expanding the artbook to fully include all symbols, images, and relevant data.
2) Open this file in Designer and then make the entire area an artboard there.
3) Drag all previously hidden content outside of this new artboard.
4) Resize the artboard back to the desired size.
5) Pray that nothing was somehow lost in the shuffle.

Depending on the size and intricacy of a file, this could be anywhere from a several minute to hour or longer endeavor, all while being forced to use the program I was trying to avoid just to make the program I want to use…… usable!

Please look into your artboard handling more. This is horribly frustrating.

this is a HUGE handicap and is currently the primary thing standing in the way of me being able to transition 100% to affinity designer... PLEASE FIX YOUR ARTBOARD HANDLING.  I'm not trying to say the way you're doing it is better or worse than Adobe's way of doing it but the fact is, Adobe had a strangle hold on the industry long before you came and their way of handling the artboard is how many people's files are currently structured... we have valuable objects outside of our illustrator artboards but we still need access to these elements when opening the files later.  If this isn't resolved, we'll be doomed to keep illustrator on hand while trying to use affinity designer and really... that's a fight you'll lose, if it's more convenient to keep using illustrator then we'll slowly stop using affinity designer.  I have a huge library of .ai files that are incredibly handicapped by opening them in affinity designer due to the loss of data outside of original artboard area.

 

Edited by Mack2D2

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Elements that exceed the artboard are not visible on bleeds. Lack of control of what appears on the bleeds means artifacts on print artwork edges when machine-cut in the printhouse.

Also, most likely a bug: I'm currently doing a looping design using symbols (via this thread) and the symbols turn on and off non-deterministically when I place them outside of the artboard, aligned to the artboard's edges.

Suggestion to add pre-visualization of elements outside of the artboard on toggle (for example the \ key, mentioned before - clip to canvas visibility).

Process of working with a clipping mask to toggle artboard visibility in Illustrator worked well, currently with Designer it causes issues.

 

I'm not sceptical to the feature itself, it seems useful, although requiring a completely different workflow. The way I see it is that artboards in Designer are something different than in Illustrator, and are more of a print preparation thing rather then design tools. Considering that this thread exists, could we perhaps get a workflow demonstration video that covers the expected use of artboards in context of the issues people posted here?

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On 3/24/2020 at 3:45 PM, MEB said:

Hi Mack2D2,
Welcome to Affinity Forums :)
The problem is objects placed outside the artboards in Illustrator are not included in the PDF stream which is the only data we are able to access in the Ai file. The rest is proprietary. So there isn't much we do can to improve things here unfortunately.

MEB, could you please clarify: From what I can see, the problem is unrelated to importing an AI file only. When creating a new file in Affinity Designer, and dragging objects from the artboard to the black area surrounding it, then the objects disappear. While still selected, an object's bounding boxes is still visible. But the *object* itself is not visible, and once I deselect, it's essentially lost in 'space'.

I have purchased AD & AP and I'm still in the process of converting from Illustrator. The issues keep piling up, reading in forums that there are no fixes. My workflow depends on having objects outside of the artboard. Also, I make repeating patterns, which is also facilitated by seeing beyond the artboard boundaries as all edges are being overlapped by artwork. So disappointing and discouraging.

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3 hours ago, Fruitbasket said:

MEB, could you please clarify: From what I can see, the problem is unrelated to importing an AI file only. When creating a new file in Affinity Designer, and dragging objects from the artboard to the black area surrounding it, then the objects disappear. While still selected, an object's bounding boxes is still visible. But the *object* itself is not visible, and once I deselect, it's essentially lost in 'space'.

That sounds like a different situation than @MEB was describing. He really was talking about importing AI documents where the AI document has items that are outside the artboards.

For documents you create In AD, you have a choice of having an Artboard or not (in which case you have a Canvas).

  • If you have a Canvas, and you drag an item off of it, its visibility is controlled by the current status of View > View Mode > Clip to Canvas.
  • However, if you have an Artboard, objects that you drag completely outside of an artboard will always be visible. Objects that you drag partly outside an artboard will be partly visible.

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On 6/2/2020 at 9:30 PM, walt.farrell said:

That sounds like a different situation than @MEB was describing. He really was talking about importing AI documents where the AI document has items that are outside the artboards.

For documents you create In AD, you have a choice of having an Artboard or not (in which case you have a Canvas).

  • If you have a Canvas, and you drag an item off of it, its visibility is controlled by the current status of View > View Mode > Clip to Canvas.
  • However, if you have an Artboard, objects that you drag completely outside of an artboard will always be visible. Objects that you drag partly outside an artboard will be partly visible.

Thank you so much, Walt, that's it! 👍

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Hello, it's 2020 and still not working as expected. 

We want Artboard not to clip at any kind the objects

• We don't want to drag out complete the object in order to see it.

• I work with more than one Artboard and this feature is a must have!

I work with textiles design and I have to see where is being clipped in the artboard, I want to see the whole object partially inside and out side the artboard. 

I Can't believe this is dragging for 5 years already.

I'm still paying adobe because we can't let go of some simple features like this one. 

 

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This must MUST be fixed going forward...

I don't know about anyone else, but the way I work is I like to experiment, try different things and move objects around. I use the space outside of the artboard as a "workbench" I develop graphics there, I put things aside to think on and I experiment in this space... I'm fairly certain that most creatives would also work in this way.

Not being able to see the "experiments" and other things I've played with outside of the artboard is a real killer for me and i honestly believe most other creatives would feel the same.   


*EDIT

Apologies 😂
I see there is a view option to work around this, yippee!

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I'm using an artboard and can place totally visible objects on it. I you drag an object partially onto the art board, then the part that is beyond the edge of the artboard becomes invisible.

I don't have a problem with that because what I want is to have a "background area" that I can put objects/images on and then drag then on and off the page in order to experiment with different designs.

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Makes sense to hide things outside of the artboards, but you should absolutely have an option to show objects outside of them. AD layer system is a bit weird actually, and the idea to have pages and layers under the same panel seems wrong to me.  

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On 10/2/2020 at 9:00 PM, MikeK36 said:

I'm using an artboard and can place totally visible objects on it. I you drag an object partially onto the art board, then the part that is beyond the edge of the artboard becomes invisible.

I don't have a problem with that because what I want is to have a "background area" that I can put objects/images on and then drag then on and off the page in order to experiment with different designs.

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I've tired that and woks just fine. But would be a lot easier to have a key shortcut that you could press and show objects outside of the drawing area without having to move layers outside of the artboards in the layer panel.

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7 hours ago, Carlos NZ said:

Makes sense to hide things outside of the artboards, but you should absolutely have an option to show objects outside of them. AD layer system is a bit weird actually, and the idea to have pages and layers under the same panel seems wrong to me.  

Hi Carlos,
Nice to see another Kiwi on here ;-)

There is a view option for showing/hiding objects that are off the artboard.

View / View Mode / Clip To Canvas

or use the backslash key "\" as a shortcut, works pretty well actually.  

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6 minutes ago, ra.skill said:

There is a view option for showing/hiding objects that are off the artboard.

View / View Mode / Clip To Canvas

That option is specific to the canvas: it doesn’t work for artboards. If you’re using artboards and you want to be able to toggle the visibility of some objects, you can put them on their own artboards and show/hide those artboards as desired.


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