Petar Petrenko Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Please, add in "Preferences" an option to control the size and position of super- and subscripts and the size of the small caps. kenmcd, Wosven, Fixx and 1 other 4 Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100)
GarryP Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Creating a Character Style should provide what you need. Better, I think, than adding a lot of extra options to the Preferences. Petar Petrenko 1 Quote
fde101 Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 That doesn’t belong in preferences as it relates to document formatting. This should be a character style attribute. Quote
Fixx Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 In InDesign it is a preference setting (I usually make it them bigger). I wonder how smooth it would be to use char style instead... considering sub/superscripts are usually already inserted in manuscript (yeah, smart use of find/replace will handle this). Style would be smart as I often prefer to use also semibold instead of regular. Wosven 1 Quote
GarryP Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Putting these sort of settings in Preferences would make two ‘dangerous’ assumptions: * that every font would look okay with the same settings; * that every document that was typeset with previous settings would still look okay when viewed/edited with the new settings. Character styles are – once they’ve been created – just as quick and easy to apply as the normal sub/superscript function but they have the extra advantages of: * being adaptable to different fonts/purposes; * being ‘locked in’ to the document at the time it’s saved. Having said that, I can’t find a way to automatically add a small horizontal offset to the sub/superscript text, which would be nice in some cases (tracking is only usable when you have more than one character selected). I haven’t looked at small caps since I don’t use them other than for playing around. Petar Petrenko and A_B_C 2 Quote
Petar Petrenko Posted November 6, 2019 Author Posted November 6, 2019 5 hours ago, GarryP said: I can’t find a way to automatically add a small horizontal offset to the sub/superscript text Yeah, something like "horizontal offset" feature. Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100)
Jeremy Bohn Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, GarryP said: Putting these sort of settings in Preferences would make two ‘dangerous’ assumptions: * that every font would look okay with the same settings; * that every document that was typeset with previous settings would still look okay when viewed/edited with the new settings. InDesign has these settings in Preferences and they are on a per-document basis, so the change you make would only apply to your current open document. Quote
garrettm30 Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 This is an interesting discussion, and I agree that something could be done better than it is. Of course, one can generally achieve what is needed via character styles**, but I think there is room for improvement. In Publisher as it is today, if I did not like the size or position of a superscript, I would create a character style that changes size and/or baseline position, and then I would apply this character style by a find/replace operation. Besides the slight inconvenience to manually apply the style (whether find/replace or otherwise), there is this further disadvantage. Imagine a run of text that already needs a character style (let’s say “emphasis”), and that text contains a superscript. Now in addition to your “superscript” character style, you need an “empasis+superscript” style that combines emphasis with the desired look of the superscript. This is not the end of the world, mind you, but I do think it invites improvement. InDesign allows setting a global superscript size and position in the document preferences, which is probably where Petar is coming from. I agree with fde101 that it really doesn’t exactly belong in preferences, and I agree with Garry’s point that the disadvantage is the “dangerous” assumption that “every font would look okay with the same settings.” I believe that InDesign is currently superior to Publisher in this one respect, because it does offer the global preference in addition to the character style method that one must use in Publisher, but I think there is room to 1-up InDesign. Before going on, I should point out that preferences in InDesign are different than preferences in Affinty. In Affinity, they function like preferences usually do in other apps, in that they are application settings. In InDesign, they are generally document-level settings. That approach has its merits, but I think on the whole I am not an advocate of that approach. It does mean that in this case, setting a global superscript size would be true for the whole document (not the whole app), and it is saved as part of a document. So Garry’s other “dangerous assumption,” namely “that every document that was typeset with previous settings would still look okay when viewed/edited with the new settings,” while true if added to Publisher’s preferences, are not true in InDesign, because those preferences travel with the document. Document-level preferences aside, InDesign does assume a document-wide setting is sufficient, but what about multiple fonts in the same document? Can we assume that one setting would fit all scenarios in a single document? Often, yes, but in those cases where it doesn’t work that way, then we’re back to the same character style workaround. It is as fde101 has said: this is inherently a character style attribute. I think we can come up with better. Here’s my proposal. I do think it should be a character style attribute (also in paragraph styles of course). But I do not mean to create a special character style just for superscripts. Rather, I think the InDesign-style settings would go well in the Position & Transform portion of the Publisher character styles, like this mockup below. Then one would not need a separate style just for superscripts, but rather it would be coherent with the rest of the text. **Except horizontal offset. I have personally never needed something like it; I wonder how often others might need it. Size and vertical offset—those I have used, and not infrequently. Wosven and A_B_C 2 Quote
MikeW Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 QXP & ID have both global and document-only settings. In either if changes to anything, preferences or text styles, etc., are made without an open document then those changes are global. With an open document, changes apply only to that document. The preference setting Petar is referring to only affects non-OpenType fractions. It has no affect on fractions set via the OpenType feature. Quote
fde101 Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 6 hours ago, garrettm30 said: I think the InDesign-style settings would go well in the Position & Transform portion of the Publisher character styles Thanks, that is exactly what I was trying to imply with my post earlier but evidently didn't spell out clearly enough. Quote
Hank at DVM Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 How would you create a character style that only adjusted the size of the small caps, leaving the large caps alone? Quote
walt.farrell Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Hank at DVM said: How would you create a character style that only adjusted the size of the small caps, leaving the large caps alone? Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums. How did you tell the application what were small caps? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Petar Petrenko Posted October 6, 2021 Author Posted October 6, 2021 On 11/6/2019 at 11:16 AM, GarryP said: Creating a Character Style should provide what you need. Better, I think, than adding a lot of extra options to the Preferences. Maybe it would be nice to have this option in Publisher -- if the size of the word, (in this case superscript) is changed, then the footnote reference size and position in the text, (in this case number 2) to follow the changes proportionally. sfriedberg 1 Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100)
sfriedberg Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 Echoing NNN, there are definitely times when I would like to base one style on another with the subordinate style's font size a proportion of the base style's. In other words, the base style might have font size 16 points, and the subordinate style might have font size change 75% instead of 12 points. That way, if I change the font size on the base style, the subordinate style will auto-adjust. Right now, if I have a sub-hierarchy of 20 styles and I want to change the overall font size, I have to manually change every style that overrides its inherited font size. If I could specify font size overrides as proportions, I'd only need to change the style at the top of the sub-hierarchy. In another thread, I gave an example where I have a collection of 18 character styles to handle subscripts, superscripts, sub-superscripts (etc.) in several different fonts (math, body, etc). So this is not a completely theoretical problem! However, I think this should be a feature of the paragraph and character styles system, not a document preference! Old Bruce 1 Quote
Old Bruce Posted October 7, 2021 Posted October 7, 2021 23 hours ago, sfriedberg said: In another thread, I gave an example where I have a collection of 18 character styles to handle subscripts, superscripts, sub-superscripts (etc.) in several different fonts (math, body, etc). So this is not a completely theoretical problem! It may help by using Scaling for the Character Styles. It may help... Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
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