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@loukash Yeah. One. Problem is that often I have need to bring into one composition say 20 different pictures. If I had to open 20 different pictures and then have to copy/paste 20 of them into one composition - its easier to place them and rasterize in mass. And the whole issue is - I dont want to be forced to additional, frankly unnecessary clicks for option I never need.
@Bit Arts - or should I say "Bit Harsh" 😉
I have Affinity from the very first day on PC. I really love using it and I have abandoned Photoshop for it didn't looked back. But this "image" thing is really driving me mad from the very beginning. And I understand that somebody, somewhere, somehow has use for that "image" thing. I honestly cant imagine single use for it in what I do. Not one. I will never need it it seems. All it does for me personally is annoying me. I dont want to take it away from those who find it useful but I would be so happy not having to put up with it. Option to choose. I even used to weirdness of "export" instead of "save as...". Although I still miss click at times 😆.
@Old Bruce I do appreciate help man, I know I could make shortcut. The whole thing is I would love to be able to avoid that completely useless for me "image".
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I am not sure if it was ever discussed here, couldn't find the option for it either.
You see I have NEVER need for using "image". Never - I ALWAYS use rasterized pixel pictures. Fact that some pictures are imported as "image" is only a nuisance for me. Selecting and trying to delete part of image - boom, its all gone because it was "image" not "pixel". It happens so many times a day it really became annoying. I understand people have use for it - but would be absolutely fantastic if there was option (assistant maybe?) to ALWAYS automatically rasterize image. Or assistant option that rasterizes image automatically if you are performing some action thats not possible on image? Please. Honestly, it would be ENORMOUS help if there was option - turned off by default to not mess with people who actually are using "image" - but something that would allow NEVER to use "image" and always "pixel".
And if such option exists I would greatly appreciate to point me to it.
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3 hours ago, Bryan Rieger said:
Oof — even more modifier keys to try to remember, with the iPad ones being even more unintutive..
F hell mate... I feel like I am taking crazy pills when I read this forum sometimes... What is this, kindergarten? "I need to press alt? Ow no! not possible to remember!". 😶
Dont ever try to use some 3D software if this is too much for you to remember. Sorry to be harsh but that sort of things are taking me by surprise. So maybe they should stop adding new functionalities because you know - new things to remember... "Oof" indeed.
BTW - great option indeed.
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Great example of AI superiority when it comes to cropping. One click and done.
If you dont needed that hat and leg that is... 🙃
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Its more like "would you still buy a car without plushy mascot dangling from the rear-view mirror and screens on the back of your front seats?"
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31 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:
I don't know yet about using it for artwork. I did look at it for code generation. The results were not good. I refer you to the link below.
Thats great example actually. I have no clue about coding. Out of curiosity I have generated myself script to use in Maya. It didn't worked first time, I have asked chat to fix it and it did worked. Extremely simple thing but I could not write it myself. Neither I have knowledge to say if it could be improved.
BUT I DONT CALL MYSELF A PROGRAMMER
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When I see prompts super creative prompts with words like "Artstation Trending" or my favorite "Masterpiece" plus few real artists name thrown to the mix to directly rip style from I only want to laugh.
Yeah, thats totally the same like writing your own scene.
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The thing with musician, choreographer, director is that those people are actually steering the project, correcting it as it goes, they all are doing the work, shaping its final form. None of it goes into writing prompt. There is no involvement in the process. Its like writing prompt in image search and claim that you are an author of images that were shown to you. Or like calling a singer somebody who just pretends that is singing, moving his mouth to the song that is played from recorder. Its ridiculous. And a bit sad. Because if you want to be an artist, a creator, a director.. whatever. YOU CAN. It will cost you time and effort but it will be worth it. Are people really that lazy? Have zero confidence in themselves that trying to find magic, low effort button? A shortcut to pretend that they are artists?
Theres lot of possibilities in creative use of AI. If you are making some sci-fi corridor, wall of which is covered with random cables - well then by all means generate wall with cables if that speeds up bringing your vision to life. Thats not different from using a photo and doing over paint. Or like in 3D visualization using assets made by somebody else. You dont have to model and texture every book on the shelf to be able to claim that you are author of whole visualization. Because there is ton of additional work involved. So sure, use AI as a tool. Not as replacement for yourself. I am only talking about that cases where everything is generated with one click and the clicker feels like he is an author somehow.
You're not.
But you can be!
Make an effort. You can be that person or reduce yourself to be disguised as that person. You want to be an artist - or cosplay an artist. Its your choice.
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You want to be like director? Well, theres a position called "ART DIRECTOR". You cant become one by just saying "from now on, I will tell people what to do!". You are going through stages of your artistic career, creating art on your own, to finally reach the point where somebody - looking at your body of work - decides that wants to trust you with managing other people to keep the artistic vision consistent.
But then again, there are level and details to everything. You can take bunch of kindergarten kids, tell them to draw an elephant and feel like you are, technically, art director. Technically. And again, if you personally feel that saying what you wants makes you.. well, somebody, then nobody cant stop you from doing so. Just dont be surprised if actual artists will laugh at you a little bit. Because it is funny, all that mental gymnastics involved in this make-believe charade.
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Look, if somebody wants to feel like he is creating something by simply writing what he wants thats fine. If you want to consider a "tool" something that does everything - I cant stop you. People have all sorts of fantasies about themselves, all sorts of delusions and I will not judge that. But also dont expect me to call you a creator when all you did is telling what you want. By this standards you would consider yourself a builder because you said a guy where you want to have a window and he did it for you. An electrician - when you said to a guy that you want to have a new lamp hanging from the ceiling and he did it for you. A plumber - because you have pointed to the sink thats clogged. And so on.
If you want to consider yourself a driver while sitting in the passenger seat thats cool with me. But please kindly dont expect me to join you in believing in that illusion. And by all means - have fun with your toy steering wheel making "brooom! brooom!" noises while somebody else is driving. Its important to have fun in life.
Now if you excuse me - I need to catch a plane.
I'm a pilot, you know. I told the person at the counter where I want to fly.
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If you want to stretch it then anybody who had any idea ever technically was part of creative art. That will make literally everybody an artist even if they never actually created any art. Every commissioner, every client would suddenly become artist because he had idea - therefore took part of creative process, right?
No, he didnt.
Thinking about something and actually making it is whole different story. Anybody who have ever tried to draw something will quickly notice that bringing to life, to physical world this idea, that seemed so clear in his head is in fact very vague, missing details and his hand is not drawing at all what he had in mind. It takes many years of training (hey, its me, captain Obvious) to actually make ideas reality. If somebody commissioned a piece to an artist, or wrote a prompt - he is not creator. He commissioned it precisely because was unable to create. He can have all the philosophical excuses in the world, make all the mental gymnastics in order to convince others and himself that he also is the creator. But everybody knows reality. So theres nothing to argue really. If you have paid runner to win a race you are not partly athlete
Its just absurd and quite sad to see people even bringing that silliness up. If you can do iy YOURSELF you are the creator. If you need to ask somebody/something to make it for you - you are not. Simple as that.
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I would think so - otherwise why to change version number?
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2 hours ago, LuBre said:
I don't get how this weird choice enforces your point of view, to be honest. It just feels extremely condescending.
Well its not. I am stating fact. I live my life how I want to. I dont say its better way or that you should do that too. Its merely example that one doesn't have to emulate masses to live his life.
2 hours ago, LuBre said:I am not sure if you're serious or not.
I am.
2 hours ago, LuBre said:Either you're extremely disconnected from the modern reality or you just like trolling around.
And tell me, how can I be "disconnected from the modern reality"? I am not eccentric millionaire, I have family to feed, bills to pay and jobs to do like everybody else.
2 hours ago, LuBre said:Affinity will be forced to adapt and follow the market.
Market has a place for everybody. You dont need to follow main stream to be successful. Whats more - if you follow main trend you are placing yourself in the position of direct competition with the biggest brands. I dont know if you noticed but we are mostly using Affinity because its different from Adobe not because its trying to do the same.
2 hours ago, LuBre said:But if they don't put "Artificial Intelligence" in their agenda, in any shape of form, they are screwed.
This is called "opinion" and has no influence on what is going to happen. Again - I said already that " If it becomes the way everything operates - we will all transition to it naturally." And if not then not. Simple as that. You are closing your mind to different possibilities for no reason.
2 hours ago, LuBre said:This "Ai thing", as you sarcastically call it (because you feel far superior to those poor people who fall for the "FOMO")
I call it that because its not AI. It is not artificial intelligence. They called it that because it sounds cool and is great for marketing. We cannot create artificial intelligence. You are creating in your head some vision of reality and blindly believing it without letting yourself open to other options. Just like you blindly believe AI is the only way to go forward you have created some vision of me as somebody who "feels superior" and "is condescending" but this is only your vision and has little to do with reality. In this particular case because if you will be honest with yourself we all feel superior then others at times. Thats why nearly everybody will agree when you say "people are so stupid", bot nobody thinks about himself as that stupid person. Its human nature to feel superior. You feel you are right and I am wrong, you just said about me that I am "disconnected from reality". You are accusing me of things that you are doing yourself. Also quite common thing we all do, but I digress.
2 hours ago, LuBre said:is not a fad
For sure partly it is. Just like VR was. When something is new its popularity naturally is much greater then when we already know it, its potential has been proven, we know what to expect from it, where to use it and where not. Now AI potential is greatly inflated by our imagination. Reality will show to what degree REALLY this is useful.
2 hours ago, LuBre said:The sooner people realizes and embraces it (the correct way)... The better.
Of course YOU are the one who knows the TRUTH and the future. Poor folk like me, who have different opinion then you MUST be wrong.
What was that bit when you accused me of "feeling superior" again?2 hours ago, LuBre said:People will not be replaced by AI. People will be replaced by other people who know how to use the AI.
This is my favorite part. AI is simplest possible thing to use ever created. You literally write what you want it to spit. Then you modify request as needed. Thats it. Thats all the great knowledge of generative AI. And AI fans are saying this sort of thing like they posses some deep knowledge of complicated tool. It laughable. I know how to make character in 3D using ZBrush, Substance Painter, Maya, RizomUV, render it and put together video with Davinci Resolve. I am fairly confident I can on top of it make a selection and write "more grass goes here" for crying out loud
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I remember that process of making something as simple as inner shadow in Adobe Illustrator was unnecessary long, manual task. You could make it by inner glow with black color but if you wanted offset you had to play with it making it awkwardly long process for something that simple.
I haven't use Adobe Illustrator since Affinity showed up on windows, so I don't know if they added this simple effect easily achievable in Designer. Maybe somebody can confirm if they did. Because it would be hysterically funny if Adobe was adding AI gimmicky... I am sorry, I mean SUPER NECESSARY, FUTURISTIC+ tools to the software that cant even make inner shadow quickAll that AI thing - although potentially very useful for now turned into mass hysteria. FOMO took over, people think that will loose a job if immediately will not start using something with AI in the name. It really is rather sad spectacle to watch. I guess society has been changed by social media into that mass of people mindlessly chasing what is "viral" at the moment.
To put things in perspective - I still dont use mobile phone. I had it for some time like two decades ago then I just stopped using it. I have a job, people still can reach me - its all good. Many people would consider impossible to function without mobile phone, going mental if battery goes down, reaching for it first thing after opening eyes in the morning... It really isnt necessary. You can make it necessary, you can convince yourself you will be bloody forgotten if you dont have phone for a day or two. But its not reality. Same is with AI. If you give up to the mass hysteria, if you convince yourself you really cant do anything without it then you will make it necessary for you.
I am not saying dont use your phone or dont use AI tools. All I am saying is that it is really not as necessary as you might think. Just because it is hot topic and companies will try to make a quick buck on this trend. You know that lead guy in Midjourney is the guy who was trying to convince everybody before that device called "Leap Motion controller" was the future and soon all the world will be using it? I dont know where it is now but I am still using mouse and stylus. And so do you I bet.
Dont give up to hysteria, take a deep breath. Dont worry - youre not loosing your job because theres no "AI" in the name of the software you are using. If it becomes the way everything operates - we will all transition to it naturally. But for now deep breath in, deep breath out. World is not a train that will just leave you floating in space because you were too late to start writing damn prompts
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The problem with these I have is that these are not the places and not the people from real world. What is the point of picture if then you change everything about it? Everything now will be fake? "Look, me on the top of the Eiffel tower, on the bicycle, wearing Armani suit, drinking coffee!"? Or "check out photo of my grandma - she looked nothing like this but AI improved the quality and blue eyes are looking better on her anyways! And here me with her on one photo - isnt that amazing? She died before I was born!".
I dont know - technically its amazing stuff. You can make a redneck use suit. Very cool for some advertisement stuff. On the other hand now you dont need any skill to confuse the hell out of everybody. Which means all the stupid people have now tool to express their stupid ideas with ease. Before some effort was required which was surely great filter for lazy and unskilled people to polute internet with yet another meme. Now floodgate is open. I doubt that is good in any shape or form. But hey - "progress"...
I guess what I am trying to say - its another razor given to bunch of monkeys. Man will shave with it, but what monkeys will do - I guess we will see on social media soon...
@CM0 Theres significant difference between "I WANT" and "I NEED". Between "I can now do it faster" and "I wouldn not be able to do it before".
Although when I think about it, in many cases AI will made things for people who otherwise wouldn't be able to do at all... So yeah, this might be true. They are still unable to do it themselves but can get it done for them with a single click.
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I feel like we are standing over the dead body of the horse that used to be that conversation screaming GO BOY!, GO!
We said everything there was - couple times around.
Not trying to shut this conversation, but is there any other angle we can explore here? Personally I am way more interested in whats the plan for 2.2, what WILL be there. Rather then keep on discussing usefulness of features we know that will not be there anytime soon.
Side note - it always baffles me how quickly people find absolutely necessary to use new stuff. Stuff they didnt knew is coming just few months ago. Some new feature is teased and immediately somebody screams "I NEED THAT!". Really? You NEED something you didnt even knew is coming? Your project - that you are making now - depends on feature that few days ago wasnt existing?
Thats some amazing planning man. Good thing that feature showed up - you wouldnt be able to finish your project otherwise.
And then you see the project, and you know it would take 10 minutes in Photoshop 4... 🤣
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8 hours ago, CM0 said:
Adobe can track it because it is their own data, their own model and you are using their platform to create the images. They will likely count a generation as a use.
Since I completely switched to Affinity (and I am not planning to go back in the near future) I dont know how it works. I thought generation is done locally on your machine but for what you say it would suggest its done on Adobe servers? Its always online thing?
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@CM0 everything is possible, true. But it would never reflect the real usage of particular image, nobody knows how many times image was used worldwide, nobody tracks that - they probably just said so to calm down public. In society that mostly reads headlines there is little chance somebody will actually think about details (not talking about you just in general).
As for the AI - obviously when we are talking about "using AI" we mostly mean here generate picture or part of picture by AI, not some behind the scenes, obscure and involuntary kind of AI. Just like when people talk about using Linux they mean having it installed as system on their machine not some "ACTUALLY you are using Linux, because your toaster and fridge is powered by it not to mention servers you are connecting to when browsing internet" kind of thing
I personally could use some quick AI to erase something from the picture or expand it. Its not vital to my work, sometimes client asks me for some banner or other little thing to promote main thing we are working on. I much prefer my time and effort go to main product then promotional materials. So for quick background or something I could use it.
Once again - I really feel like AI tools mostly are done for general public to impress average joe who cant do much on his own. In 3D field I am waiting for years for some good auto-retopo. The closest we got is what ZBrush is offering. And its far from perfect, almost unusable for animation. Impress me there, make AI tool for that. Not some generative nonsense that will make a 3D blob with texture on it and call it a day. Make some AI for beautiful, automatic, straight and not stretched UVs - that will impress me. I will use it every day. Turning head on photo of a doggie... I mean come on. How to use that in production of something significant? Its good to replace Fiverr $5 jobs, you can generate social media motivational or some virtue signaling thing but it has no use in serious work. Or hell, I dont know, I am 46 now, working all the time in the graphic related industry and I cant think of anything I could use that "oh so powerful generative AI" now. Nothing significant anyways just some annoying stuff that I have to do sometimes and just want it out of my sight as quickly as possible (promotional, social media things). And for that - cool, I'll take it. But its hardly a revolution now.
What is to come? We will see. I will not pretend I know the future - apparently nearly everybody now does
I'll see where it goes. For now its in the realm of semi-helpful gimmick for me.
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14 hours ago, CM0 said:
It is actually rather easy. You only need to modify the image and you have human created content.
I dare to say most "prompt artists" lacks such ability
13 hours ago, CM0 said:I've also heard that Adobe plans on using their AI to compensate the original works as their AI can determine which pieces contributed to the generation.
And how that suppose to work? Will they track every generated picture? How they will recognize what was done for commercial work and what just for fun? Also - how this would make sense financially? Will you watch advertisement before using generation option? Or they plan on just giving away money? In that case if I was the creator of original work used by Adobe I would make a prompt that is likely to bring my picture in and ask few friends to push that "generate" button couple times daily. Ka-ching! Picture generator turned into money generator
On serious note - in makes no sense I dont believe it.
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I apologize. Frankly you almost lost me at "show me podcasters" and I gave up on "piece I created" presenting generated image. Sorry I have seen too much of it to keep going first time around. Guilty as charged.
Now I read it.
In other part of this forum I have spoken about AI tool for tracing bitmaps. Works very well - most accurate tool for tracing I have used. I am using Davinci Resolve also with quite good AI tools. As a 3D artist I am of course using denoisers to speed up rendering. These are actually helpful tools not just "I will do that for you" image spitters and hell, I will happily welcome that sort of AI in Affinity too. I think sooner or later it will become norm. So I am 100% in agreement with what you said. I just really dislike generative AI spitting ready artwork. Its just... wrong on many levels and sad on many more.
@v_kyrpart of the fun. Obviously nobody will change anything by posting on forum his opinion. Doesn't mean we cant have meaningless yet entertaining conversation for sheer fun of it.
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Hahaha, why podcasters? Is that how you look at the world? Through YT videos? I just gave you examples of events that happened - entire portfolio sites filled with people that is against "AI art" for one reason or another. But lets ignore it all because podcasters
And sorry but you have not created anything. You wrote what you want to have created FOR YOU. Plus added specific artist name.. Quite frankly that is sad more then anything else.
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When it comes to customers AI fans think that it is lost opportunity if you dont use AI. Some threatening that they will leave to competition. But reality is that there is equally big group of users who is in principal against AI. And they are equally valid customers that will pay for tool without generative AI tools. The moment you leave Affinity for Adobe because they have AI - somebody from Adobe will come to Affinity because it doesnt have it
Simple as that. Frankly I dont know if its not good marketing strategy for Affinity to say "NO SUBSCRIPTION, NO AI, NO PROBLEM!" hahaha
Few months ago Clip Studio Paint wanted to add image generation tool - it was met with huge backlash from their user base and they rolled back those plans. Artstation didnt wanted to ban AI on their site and immediately we got great new portfolio sites that are not accepting AI like artgram or cara.
Those two groups - pro and against AI are equally paying customers. You cant please both. Either you add AI tools or you dont. One of the groups will not like it. So really Affinity by not having these tools now is not loosing any more users then it would if they added them.
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59 minutes ago, BofG said:
Right now we are at the emergence stage, it's going to improve so rapidly it'll make your head spin.
I am old enough to use cameras with film also. I still have two old russian Cmena's, old Minolta and Zenit cameras. Digital cameras didnt made my head spin. Prices of decent camera did the trick
AI is not making my head spin either. Quite contrary. Maybe because I worked on the computer all my life starting with ZX spectrum and C64 ages ago? So all the new things I take with a pinch of salt and dont join the hysteria every time something new appears? Dont want to sound rude but when it comes to so called AI people behave like some sort of primitive tribe looking at TV for the first time, amazed how all these small people entered this box 😮 .I wonder from where comes this absolute confidence that this technology will quickly develop into something AMAZING. So many examples of tech that was really promising in early days and then its development plateaued or even completely crashed. Remember the revolutionary, game changing movement sensor Kinect? "You are the controller!". Nothing will be the same again! Well... Or beginning of VR - soon nobody will use monitor! Everything VR! It is around, still developing, maybe one day will be more popular. But it certainly didnt took over in many years. How about self driving cars? So many news, future is here! Well, not really yet, but soon! You will see! That takes long enough too, doesnt it? Turns out its not that easy as we thought it might be.
Recently I read that first 3D scanners were made in the... 60s. I dont even know what purpose it could serve back in a day where computers didnt even had... screen. 60 YEARS later 3d modelers still have jobs. Adobe is praised now for its forward thinking with its AI tools. It took about 30 YEARS to implement in Photoshop something as simple as symmetry - tool that was present in Deluxe Paint made in 80s. Forgive me if I am not joining the chant about how great that company is
I am not against technology (clearly, my everyday work depends on it), I do not afraid of it or anything like that. But sorry - I am not easily impressed by random picture showing up inside of selection... I would absolutely LOVE to see the end of retopologizing 3D objects by hand. Do that, o great AI. Make retopology obsolete, please. And while youre at it do the same with UVs. I will be the most progressive, forward thinking AI supporter then.
But spitting the image...?
I can only quote Shania Twain and say "that don't impress me much"
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@Bit Arts I really dont want to start thread that is bashing Affinity devs. Call me fanboy 😆 No, but for real - I enjoy a lot using Affinity software. Lot more then I was using Photoshop in its last versions before Affinity showed up for PC. And I used it daily for over 20 years.. Since version 4.0. At the beginning I felt in love with it but it lost appeal to me along the way. Stupid Adobe decisions - and I dont mean dreaded subscription - just got into me. Bloating Photoshop with stuff like video editing, useless (because slow as hell and extremely simple) 3D. At one point they even added 3D printing to Photoshop (which is of course what we are all looking for in photo manipulating software 🤣). At the same time it took 20 years for Adobe to add symmetry - option that I had in Deluxe Paint on Amiga in 90s... Stuff like that.
When I tried Affinity for first time it was so fresh to me - and I still love it for its simplicity. Yes sometimes I am lacking something but I do like more streamlined software. I dont know how is it now in Adobe package - but when I was leaving it jumping from Illustrator to Photoshop meant half of your vectors was rasterized... In Affinity I go back and forth, keeping vectors and the same look. Its brilliant. Also make a test - save the same content in both Adobe and Affinity. Check size of files - Affinity has the very same content saved in much smaller file. It was like this last time I tried it which was couple of years ago but I doubt it changed. I like it, I have thousands upon thousands of files.
Also I had many conversations with somebody representing Affinity, many of things I have asked for was actually added. I dont know if it was even remotely connected to fact that I asked for them but it feels nice when you ask for something and down the line somewhere it actually is added to the software. When it comes to Adobe you were lucky if you got automatic response "our team is working hard on resolving problems and we thank you for sharing that information". Or some other corpo-nonsense.
HOWEVER... 😏
I still dont understand some decisions behind Affinity. Admittedly very few. Like that export thing or incredibly useless for me "image" thing which only stays in the way of faster work. I want to think its useful for photographers - which I am not. So I dont want to judge whole usefulness of it based only on my personal needs, but I would like Photo to fit bit better into my daily routine where I am dragging different pictures from other software or copy-pasting them into one document etc. And that "image" mode is only standing in the way. Thats all. If possible I would love to see that. If not I will go back to...! Nah, just joking 😁 If not then I will still keep on clicking that bloody "rasterize", asking myself: