aleale1 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, musiberti said: The problem with global layers is that they do not exist in Publisher. You have to do the same thing on every page, again and again..... AP Layers.mp4 cai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petar Petrenko Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 All of us were "lost in translation". We just use different terminology for same things. Time was needed to leverage everything and start seaking "the same language". aleale1 1 Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, haakoo said: The same as I do with masterpages isn't it? Besides the masterPages are created as grouped layers inside the pages mpExample.afpub No, Master Pages are for static Objects (the framework of a page), layers are for the content. If you have to present alternative Content for all pages of a document, you have to use Global Layers. There is simply no other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, aleale1 said: AP Layers.mp4 Your example shows just one rectangle. For different objects (maybe a circle one page 2) with just 1 layer, you will need global layers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 look here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, musiberti said: ...I hoped for a real replacement of InDesign. But if you are happy with a little App for amateurs... This is where you perhaps have gone all wrong in your expectations. APub is, when released, a 1.x application. Right now it is really a .x application. Did you ever use version 1 of InDesign? Are you aware of ID's development history, which began before Adobe ever bought Aldus? Even once Adobe began working on the code they bought for what would become InDesign, it took them nearly 5 years before ID 1.0 was released. And no one in their right mind that worked in a production environment would use it. It wasn't even moderately usable at version 2.x. Even so, no one i knew worked with ID on a daily basis until the CS version hit the market. And that same scenario as regards production environments may well hold true with APub, too. If ever. But not necessarily for the layers thing. Not every production shop does multi-lingual work. Far from it in my experience. The choice is your as regards whether you encourage Serif to reconsider how layers work or to belittle others who disagree with you. Alfred, Petar Petrenko, Michail and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, MikeW said: This is where you perhaps have gone all wrong in your expectations. No, I know that it's a beta. But the lack of global layers seems to be wanted. That let me believe various statements by moderators (in other threads) . I think that's a very big mistake, because ultimately it means that the publisher will never prevail in a professional environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleale1 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, musiberti said: look here. I can't download your video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, aleale1 said: I can't download your video The video is here too: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeW said: Not every production shop does multi-lingual work. Global Layers are not only for multi-lingual work. There are thousands of purposes and it would be a huge loss if global layers are not included in the Publisher. Please do not hesitate, that I do not wish the Publisher any harm. I'm just trying to make you understand that it would be a big mistake to voluntarily give up such a powerful function. Ultimately, this would also result in the Publisher's failure because it would not move anyone to switch from InDesign or Xpress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Petar Petrenko Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I think A-team must make an exception for this app and introduce "global" layers just as in ID and Quark. They will be created on all pages automatically but they must not act as master pages. It means, when you put some object on any of these layers it must not be copied on all other "global" layers. Only on that page. The other type of layer should be called "local". Wosven and benjaminduall 2 Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, haakoo said: But master pages aren't static at all And even parts within a grouped layer on a single page can be duplicated, deleted or dragged out the masterpage group This will also reflect in the masterpage used and on the specified pages Masters Pages are not usable for any content that differs on every page - like text, prices, pictures... They are for framework design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, musiberti said: Global Layers are not only for multi-lingual work. There are thousands of purposes and it would be a huge loss if global layers are not included in the publisher. Please do not hesitate, that I do not wish the Publisher any harm. I'm just trying to make you understand that it would be a big mistake to voluntarily give up such a powerful function. Ultimately, this would also result in the Publisher's failure because it would not move anyone to switch from InDesign or Xpress. You do not need to "make me understand" anything. I agreed about the global layers thing in another one of the threads you are participating in. I just didn't like the belittling language you had used. It is arrogant to express yourself as being the be-all, know-all and everyone that doesn't agree with you as an idiot. I do disagree with the assessment that APub will be a failure because of not having "global layers." There are people on this forum already stating they are moving from ID & Q. I do believe that retention of new customers making the move may be difficult in some cases (same has happened with the other products). And I do believe that if layers as per normal in other layout applications are important, that will prevent yet others from making the move (if they no about it up front, else they will fall into the retention scenario). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, MikeW said: I do disagree with the assessment that APub will be a failure because of not having "global layers." APub would be very usable even without global layers. Proper layers would just make some tasks much easier for some people. You create two Master Pages, one with the "all pages" content, and one with the "subset of pages" content. You assign the first to all pages, the second to the subset that need that content. While master pages do not relate to layers discussion, I would propose children master pages, which inherit the content from master1 (parent master) and have their own added content... using two master pages on one content page would be confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 @MikeW: Unfortunately, most of the users here do not even begin to understand the difference between layers and master pages. Sorry if I'm desperate to make someone clear what "global" layers are. I had already tried to explain it many times. And then someone comes again who says "but with master pages I can do that too". Anyone who claims to be switching from InDesign to Publisher at this point in time is certainly no one who has to earn his money in graphic design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I would like to add a suggestion from another thread: Tagged Layers could be a working substitute for Global Layers. With the possibility of tagging any layer with keywords, we could achieve a similar functionality. You need a few more clicks, but it would be a substitute that is even more versatile. But I stick with it: without Global Layers (or Tagged Layers) the publisher is a failure. For me and for most InDesign/Xpress Users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff TonyB Posted September 5, 2018 Staff Share Posted September 5, 2018 32 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said: I think A-team must make an exception for this app and introduce "global" layers just as in ID and Quark. They will be created on all pages automatically but they must not act as master pages. It means, when you put some object on any of these layers it must not be copied on all other "global" layers. Only on that page. The other type of layer should be called "local". Your description is basically what we plan to do so just be a bit patient and give us feedback when we have a working version. Other long document features will come over time. k_au, Petar Petrenko, aleale1 and 10 others 9 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 @haakoo: You are working on a master page. You will never place content from your customers on master pages. That not a proper workflow. This will be result in a terrible mess if you a working on a document with a hundred pages. If the customer comes with change requests, the fun is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, musiberti said: ...Anyone who claims to be switching from InDesign to Publiser at this point in time is certainly no one who has to earn his money in graphic design. Nah. That's not true either. It all depends on what one does/creates. I know plenty of businesses and individuals who will be making the switch. I myself will use APub for certain things where I am given latitude in what I use for the work, which is not a lot of the time. There are other reasons I cannot use APub upon release for say production, single-language books, for instance. It does not fit my work-flow. But layers per ID/Q is not the reason for the most part. There is some work I would not use APub for that do involve normal layers (normal here meaning as per Q/ID) but that is more to keep text above layers of items containing transparency throughout even a simple brochure. But hey, make sure to read Tony's response. How APub is is not what it will be. Serif needs time, they also need to have kept this promise of release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiberti Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, TonyB said: Your description is basically what we plan to do so just be a bit patient and give us feedback when we have a working version. Other long document features will come over time. That's the statement I was waiting for and hoping for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminduall Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, TonyB said: Your description is basically what we plan to do so just be a bit patient and give us feedback when we have a working version. Other long document features will come over time. Much appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ania Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Lindblad, think of Affinity Publisher as a replacement for Affinity Designer. Designer with pages. That’s not being unfair, but rather to underscore the utility of Designer, now extended over pages. Designer and Publisher compete with each other, not with QXP or InDesign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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