Footnotes/Endnotes

[fde101]

On 11/2/2021 at 1:57 PM, Trevor A said:

Indeed.  The 4-page brochure is at one extreme and the 500-page book is at the other.  In my experience, even adding notes manually in a ten-page introduction is tedious and prone to the occurrence of errors or less-than-ideal formatting solutions.

Not sure that a 4-page brochure is at either extreme... what about a 1-page poster?  Greeting card?  Ticket?  Paper airplane (err...)

[DrKhalifa]

Affinity Publisher Dev , Please Add Footnotes

[Pyanepsion]

I was looking at what yr and hr meant in English.

—Yr (with a capital y) means ‘years’.

—hr means ‘hours’, but also:

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In computing, hr is an HTML element or tag representing a thematic break in HTML5. The <hr> tag is closed in XHTML, but <hr> has no end in HTML. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/YR

No end? Could this be an omen?

[Alfred]

1 hour ago, Pyanepsion said:

—Yr (with a capital y) means ‘years’.

Where did you find that? The word ‘year’ is very commonly abbreviated without a capital y (e.g. ‘5yr moving average’).

1 hour ago, Pyanepsion said:

No end? Could this be an omen?

Very funny! However, it should be noted that ‘no end’ is not the same as ‘no ending’.

[Pyanepsion]

@Alfred In French, Wikipédia does indeed incorrectly use the capital Yr spelling. For hr, Wikipédia speaks of the absence of an ending.

[fde101]

15 hours ago, Pyanepsion said:

absence of an ending.

Which is interesting, but not quite accurate.

The <hr> tag in HTML is self-terminating (it is its own end).  It does have an ending, but the ending is not explicitly spelled out in the HTML source text. In the now deprecated XHTML standard, there are no self-terminating tags (except comments), so it must be explicitly ended, either with a "/" after the "hr" - as in <hr/> - or with a separate </hr> tag.

[Pyanepsion]

5 hours ago, fde101 said:

The <hr> tag in HTML is self-terminating.

As long as we’re discussing the initial quip, we might as well be very specific. ‘The <hr> tag represents a thematic change between paragraph elements (e.g. a change of setting in a story, a change of topic in a section).’ In its definition, there is no mention of a beginning or an end.

[sfriedberg]

I wouldn't read too much into that description of <hr>.  The letters abbreviate "horizontal rule" which has more typographic uses than "a thematic change between paragraph elements".  Going from lines across the page to endless hours of speculation might not be the best way to spend that infinite time...

[JaviAl]

No Affinity Publisher roadmap like any serious and professional program?

It is unacceptable that there is no official announcement or communication about footnotes in Affinity Publisher after more than 3 years.

[cyberlizard]

2 hours ago, JaviAl said:

No Affinity Publisher roadmap like any serious and professional program?

It is unacceptable that there is no official announcement or communication about footnotes in Affinity Publisher after more than 3 years.

nice to see someone bringing the thread back on topic.

 

Steve

[PaoloT]

6 hours ago, JaviAl said:

No Affinity Publisher roadmap like any serious and professional program?

May I have a link to Adobe's and Microsoft's roadmaps?

Paolo

 

[cyberlizard]

5 hours ago, PaoloT said:

May I have a link to Adobe's and Microsoft's roadmaps?

Paolo

 

Adobe have a blog where they discuss upcoming features at https://blog.adobe.com

Microsoft do as well at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/roadmap?filters=

Steve

[PaoloT]

22 minutes ago, cyberlizard said:

Adobe have a blog where they discuss upcoming features at https://blog.adobe.com

Microsoft do as well at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/roadmap?filters=

I've been following the Adobe blog since the beginning, and I don't remember anything similar to a roadmap. Introduction to new features, and general overview on the current trends, new technologies on which to work. Something that Serif is doing in Spotlight.

I didn't know the Microsoft site, but I see it is a page where perspective features are discussed. Something similar to this forum, but on a wider range due the larger catalogue.

Paolo

 

[JaviAl]

18 hours ago, PaoloT said:

May I have a link to Adobe's and Microsoft's roadmaps?

Adobe Roadmap is in the Prerelease program, very easy to join. The Indesign Prerelease program: https://www.adobeprerelease.com/beta/C6DFA254-C40C-4EEB-8F6D-F4AEDA2E6171#

Microsoft Office Roadmap: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/roadmap?filters=

Microsoft Visual Studio Roadmap: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/vs-roadmap

Microsoft Visual Studio Code Roadmap: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/wiki/Roadmap

Microsoft .NET Roadmap: https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/main/roadmap.md https://aka.ms/dotnet-product-roadmap

 

[PaoloT]

4 hours ago, JaviAl said:

Adobe Roadmap is in the Prerelease program, very easy to join. The Indesign Prerelease program: https://www.adobeprerelease.com/beta/C6DFA254-C40C-4EEB-8F6D-F4AEDA2E6171#

This is not a roadmap. It's just a beta program. Kept formally secretive, whereas Serif makes their betas public.

The Microsoft Office link points to a glorified forum, where users discuss of perspective features. The same thing we are doing here in the forum.

Paolo

 

[cyberlizard]

you know what would be brilliant for Black Friday... footnotes and/or endnotes... I will then purchase it immediately.

 

Steve

[Petar Petrenko]

Table footnotes too, but with footnote text located just bellow the table, not at the bottom of the page.

[Trevor A]

Excellent point! Thank you for drawing attention to it!

[Petar Petrenko]

20 minutes ago, NNN said:

Table footnotes too, but with footnote text located just bellow the table, not at the bottom of the page.

Forgot to say, with different numbering, too. Maybe with some special characters like asterisks, daggers...

[Trevor A]

Indeed!

[Old Bruce]

Have to remember that we want the readers to be able to follow what is happening. It must be clear.

As a reader I would hate to have footnotes, endnotes, section notes and notes for tables in one publication.

[Petar Petrenko]

8 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

in one publication.

What do you mean by this?

[Trevor A]

"As a reader I would hate to have footnotes, endnotes, section notes and notes for tables in one publication."

For most technical publications, notes for tables and either footnotes or endnotes are essential.  Depending on the nature of the publication, section notes may be required.

The writer may need to have footnotes and also wish at the same time to build up the bibliography, perhaps by modifying the endnotes, if that is possible, so that they list bibliographical details in alphabetical order.

Serif Affinity Publisher already does a good job with contents pages, and I seem to remember also having built up an index, so it is not unreasonable to expect these other features.

[Old Bruce]

10 minutes ago, NNN said:

What do you mean by this?

People have been talking about needing Footnotes and Endnotes at the end of sections as well as the end of the publication or perhaps Sections, Chapters and the whole publication. In one Publication, Book or Magazine.

I would hate that as a reader. I would avoid buying from that Publishing house and Author in future.

[Petar Petrenko]

26 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

As a reader I would hate to have footnotes, endnotes, section notes and notes for tables in one publication.

1. Endnotes can be positioned at the end of a section, story or the publication. So they can be named sectionnotes, storynotes or just endnotes if they are at the end of the publication. They are (or, can be) used for bibliography.
2. Footnotes are used to exolain some part of the text on the actual page.
3. Tablenotes are used to explain some text placed within the cells of the table and they are positioned at tne bottom of the table.

So, I don't see any reason why these 3 kinds of notes could not exist in same publication.