Footnotes/Endnotes

[AllanP]

2 hours ago, Jim Slade said:

That would be layout (largely justification) based upon the entire paragraph, rather than line-by-line. LaTex has done that forever. InDesign does it. But most don't. 

Justified Word documents look funky because it justifies by line by inserting space. 

Beyond better look, a benefit of paragraph composition is that relatively small paragraphs do not cause the paragraph length to change much. If you have a document with manual references (e.g. legal work with a table of authorities), fixing a few characters in a document does not cause much text shifting to pages that throws you references off.

 

There is some control over Justification available via the Paragraph panel allowing some configuration on the Justified Left, Justified Centre, Justified Right, and Justified Right options. Are these of any help?

• Minimum Word Spacing—sets the minimum gap allowed.
• Desired Word Spacing—sets the preferred gap between words.
• Maximum Word Spacing—sets the maximum gap allowed.
• Minimum Letter Spacing—sets the minimum tracking allowed.
• Desired Letter Spacing—sets the preferred tracking (spacing between letters) within words when a paragraph has a justified alignment.
• Maximum Letter Spacing—sets the maximum tracking allowed

[jmwellborn]

On 11/8/2022 at 8:24 AM, Ralph said:

... though I still can't help comparing Publisher with my car:

My car has so many "features" that, after a year, I am still discovering the nuances of the parking sensor feature.
It also has all four wheels. My previous car had few features, but it also had 4 wheels. I could use my old car, perhaps with a touch of envy for my neighbour - whose car had lots features, and 4 wheels. I wouldn't envy my neighbour even if his car could fly, if it had a wheel missing.

Afffinity, to me, can orbit the Earth - but Publisher  has a wheel missing,
It is SO frustrating !!!

 

Was the missing wheel footnotes/endnotes?  Publisher 2 has them!

[MikeW]

53 minutes ago, AllanP said:

There is some control over Justification available via the Paragraph panel...

But APub still uses line by line justification only. As does QXP et al. 

InDesign offers both types of justification and with those and more options to control justification.

[Jim Slade]

1 hour ago, AllanP said:

There is some control over Justification available via the Paragraph panel allowing some configuration on the Justified Left, Justified Centre, Justified Right, and Justified Right options. Are these of any help?

• Minimum Word Spacing—sets the minimum gap allowed.
• Desired Word Spacing—sets the preferred gap between words.
• Maximum Word Spacing—sets the maximum gap allowed.
• Minimum Letter Spacing—sets the minimum tracking allowed.
• Desired Letter Spacing—sets the preferred tracking (spacing between letters) within words when a paragraph has a justified alignment.
• Maximum Letter Spacing—sets the maximum tracking allowed

I am talking about something different. That is, the system formats the entire paragraph (as you type), rather than each line individually. Publisher does not do this [yet?]. Most word formatting applications do not. I do not even believe QUARK does it. Indesign and LaTex do.

A technical article in the subject:

http://www.eprg.org/G53DOC/pdfs/knuth-plass-breaking.pdf

[Amontillado]

The notes panel allows for customizing the setting for a particular footnote, and also has document-wide settings.

I can't find a way to change the document-wide settings. Anybody know how to do that?

[Amontillado]

1 minute ago, Amontillado said:

The notes panel allows for customizing the setting for a particular footnote, and also has document-wide settings.

I can't find a way to change the document-wide settings. Anybody know how to do that?

I may have figured this out - if you are focussed on a text frame, you can't set the document-wide options. If you are not focussed on a text frame, you can.

I think...

[Jim Slade]

9 hours ago, Trevor A said:

Jim

I am sure that Serif appreciated your investment, along with those of others (including me!).

Trevor

I have an ancient copy of Creative Suite. It's 32-bit so I can only use it my old macs. I would have upgraded but for Adobe's taxation model under which usesr pay Adobe so they don't have to upgrade the program. It looks like there is more improvement in Affinity in the latest release thank Abode has made to Creative Suite in 15 years.

[Pedrober]

I would be very grateful if someone could confirm that footnotes are not supported yet in IDML import by the recently published Beta.

[Dan C]

I can confirm the recent Affinity V2 betas (2.0.3) are almost entirely fixes and improvements to the apps, unfortunately there are no new features implemented yet, including IDML footnote import, my apologies.

[Pedrober]

Thank you very much for your answer. IDML footnotes import is essential for me. I hope it will be implemented as soon as possible.

[Last Chance]

Could you export the IDML text into Word? APub does accept the import of Word footnotes.

[Pedrober]

It's true, but direct import from IDML lets me transfer the design already done in ID.

[Last Chance]

@Pedrober I did mean to just export the text - keep the IDML file to import the design into APub, but extract the text (if it's possible) to Word, and then import the text back into your APub design. It all really hinges on whether the text can be extracted with footnotes successfully.

[Pedrober]

Thank you very much for your message. Good idea, for sure.

[Will Wallace]

That sounds like a lot of work to accomplish what Affinity Publisher should be able to do natively.

 

[Amontillado]

38 minutes ago, Will Wallace said:

That sounds like a lot of work to accomplish what Affinity Publisher should be able to do natively.

 

It's not that bad in Affinity 2. Footnotes are created where you want them to appear, with the style you want them to have. So far, I haven't been forced to use a layout I didn't like.

My use for footnotes and endnotes is limited, so there are edges of the envelope I'm sure I haven't seen.

Regarding the Macy's versus Gimbel's debate over importing footnotes from Adobe, I can see that would be nice. It also makes m want to ask if Adobe imports Affinity footnotes transparently. If not importing Adobe footnotes without fussing is a shortcoming of Affinity, seems like we should criticize Adobe if it doesn't transparently import Affinity footnotes.

What the heck, let's criticize Adobe on general principles. 🙂

At least while we can. Affinity and evolution may have select Adobe for the fossil record.

[Amontillado]

Actually, I just realized something. If a frame doesn't have a customized footnote position, you can set document wide or per-frame footnote positions while the frame is selected. It's only if the frame has a different footnote position from document wide that you have to move the focus off the frame to set document-wide footnote positioning.

I can see the logic in that. If you have a frame with footnote positioning you like, changing the document-wide default shouldn't blow away the frame's options.

[MJWHM]

Just received an email with the following tutorial which may be handy. No time to deal with it myself now, but if others have missed it...

https://affinityspotlight.com/article/take-control-of-footnotes-sidenotes-and-endnotes-in-affinity-publisher-2/?utm_source=SpotlightEmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SpotlightNewsletter

[Inspired Earth]

On 5/11/2021 at 7:37 PM, Patrick Connor said:

@Inspired Earth

I have just noticed your post count, Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums  and thanks for your contribution to this thread

Thanks @Patrick Connor. I appreciate your friendly gesture and welcome. I apologise for my rather tardy response!

Amazingly, just over three years have gone by since I made my post, and since I've looked into Affinity Publisher as a replacement for InDesign. 

Today I am again looking for a subscription-free InDesign and Photoshop replacement (Adobe sub has expired).

Am I correct in understanding Publisher now has full footnote support?  

Out of interest, if I happen to open Indesign projects (past books) in Publisher, will it handle the endnotes and footnotes from InD?

UPDATE: From what I've seen online, I gather RTF and or ePub export is still not available? Bummer.
My primary intended use for Publisher is to publish books with. Readily exporting to ePub or at least something readily importable into an alternative ePub generator is a vital feature. I literally had the full app bundle (Publisher, Photo, Designer) in my cart, and was about to pull the trigger on buying them, when I realised I should check if ePub export was now supported. 

I'm sure I'll be buying the Affinity suite at some stage ... 

[walt.farrell]

6 hours ago, Inspired Earth said:

Out of interest, if I happen to open Indesign projects (past books) in Publisher, will it handle the endnotes and footnotes from InD?

I don't think it imports footnote and endnotes from InDesign documents yet, but they're probably working on that. But if it matters it only imports .idml documents not .indd documents.

6 hours ago, Inspired Earth said:

I'm sure I'll be buying the Affinity suite at some stage ... 

With the current 50% off sale, now is an excellent time to buy a Universal license.