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Can you add metadata to an image in affinity designer. It is so important for SEO purposes as well as copyright.

I noticed someone had asked this question in 2016 so something should be in place by now.

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But why do we not have this capability by now as Photoshop does!

Affinity Designer is a great program but it is lacking in two things I need at the moment
metadata and the facility to use mockups. Both of these are successfully used by
Photoshop.

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16 minutes ago, BrightBold said:

But why do we not have this capability by now as Photoshop does!

Probably because

  • Photoshop has been in development for decades longer than Affinity Photo.
  • There are dozens if not hundreds of different standard types of photo metadata & an unlimited number of non-standardized ones.
  • There are several different  metadata standards for photographs that are related in complicated ways, some of which conflict with each other in some way.
  • One of them is the IPTC standard, which was developed using Adobe's XMP technology.
  • Photographic metadata is usually provided as some combination of EXIF, XMP, & IPTC tagged metadata, but the de facto file system standard for essentially all digital still cameras, DCF (Design rule for Camera File system), while conforming to the EXIF standard also allows for other file formats that are not.
  • Metadata may or may not be embedded in the file. When it is not, it is provided by a sidecar file, which Affinity currently does not support.
  • There is also a difference between photo metadata & file system metadata; what is provided in the latter & how it is accessed depends on the file system, which different platforms support & structure differently.

The tl;dr version is that full metadata support is much, much more complicated than it might seem.


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R C-R thanks for the in-depth info. I was aware of the IPTC standard but didn't realise how complicated it is to prog this into Affinity Designer.

 

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5 hours ago, DavidS24 said:

In short, metadata is ciphers for bots (robots).

Photo metadata has many other uses than just for SEO. For example, the first IPTC standard was developed in the early 1990's (long before SEO became a thing) so that news agencies, photographers, photo agencies, libraries, and the like could unify the way they managed all sorts of information stored in images. From their most recent User Guide (emphasis added):

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Photo metadata is key to protecting images' copyright and licensing information online. It is also essential for managing digital assets. Detailed and accurate descriptions about images ensure they can be easily and efficiently retrieved via search, by users or machine-readable code. 

Photo metadata is also widely used during the 'development' of RAW image files, in printing, & so on.


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Dear all,

IPTC is an old well established standard, implemented in most image management tools (from freeware to expensive ones) 
IPTC was just implemented by Adobe in their products in the 90's, but the development of these standard started in the 70's.

The International Press Telecommunications Council (IPTC) was established by a group of news organisations including the Alliance Européenne des Agences de Presse, ANPA (now NAA), FIEJ (now WAN) and the North American News Agencies (a joint committee of Associated Press, Canadian Press and United Press International) to safeguard the telecommunications interests of the World’s Press. Since the late 1970’s IPTC’s activities have primarily focussed on developing and publishing Industry Standards for the exchange of news data of all common media types.

EXIF is limited in its ability to describe pictures.

ITPC standards coupled with XMP (a way to describe them in a sidecar file) are very useful.

I am managing a 30,000+ pictures data base and using a subset of ITPC standards: Caption (text description), Picture taken date, Picture Update date, Keywords, Country, City, GPS location, Picture author, Copyright (rights owner), Copyright notice (text), Event

Affinity Photo and Designer should be able to enter such ITPC data.
Affinity Publisher should be able to register a wide set of PDF Properties.
I mean just data entry for these 3 Affinity products

It looks like Affinity Photo is using Lensfun for its lens correction.
May be a business deal regarding metadat with Exiftool, XnView or Irfanview would help for providing a robust solution (Serif do not want to re-invent the wheel, ...)

A DAM (digital asset management)  is a different story.
DAM is used e.g. to manage large sets of pictures, create folders of your pictures, select pictures, add further descriptions, etc.
This is a complement,  if you have very large quantities of pictures, if you a long term archiving need.
Newspapers and museums use DAMs to extract a single picture out of millions in two clicks.
This could become a fouth Affinity Persona.

Personnaly, I see three separate tools in professional image management, rather than an integrated tool. Lightroom tries but is far from perfect.

1. A tool like Photomechanic to copy images from a camera, populate automatically some metadata, rename file names, etc

2. A tool like Affinity Photo for picture improvement (including appropriate picture descriptions through EXIF, ITPC, XML)

3. A DAM like Daminion to manage large quantities of pictures, with search facilities based on metadata

Regards, Philippe

 

 

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24 minutes ago, pdussart said:

ITPC standards coupled with XMP (a way to describe them in a sidecar file) are very useful.

From https://www.adobe.com/products/xmp.html (emphasis added):

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Adobe’s Extensible Metadata Platform (XMP) is a file labeling technology that lets you embed metadata into files themselves during the content creation process. 

It provides a standardized framework for adding custom metadata fields to files, thus 'extensible' in the name.


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Dear all,

IPTC is the driver, as it defines the metadata to be stored. (the WHAT)

IIM was HOW ITPC defined the way of storing this metadata.
XMP is a more recent way HOW to store metadata. XMP has progressively replaced IIM. XMP is flexible and enables also to store metadata from various sources like EXIF, Core ITPC but also user created fields.
Some tools create two files for a single shot, say 123XX.JPG and 123XX.XMP

On the other hand, JPG standards allow to store metadata directly within the JPG file. In this case 123XX.JPG only

As far as Affinity Photo is concerned, if Serif chooses for a limited ITPC support (say a dozen of fields), an update of the JPG file would suffice without separate XMP file. If you go the DAM route, OK. I would not overload Affinity Photo with this. (step three for me)

Here is a list of tools that are recognized by the ITPC organization, as per www.itpc.org 
Affinity Photo should get there in order to join the "professional" club, assuming this is the Serif's aim.

 

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3 hours ago, pdussart said:

IPTC is the driver, as it defines the metadata to be stored. (the WHAT)

In the XMP framework, IPTC is just one possible “Standard XMP schema." XMP conforms to the Resource Definition Framework (RDF), which provides the structure, while XMP schemas provide the vocabulary for that structure. However, the XMP framework can include any schema that is defined according to these specifications.
Source: https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/xmp/Pdfs/xmp_whitepaper.pdf

At present, Affinity Photo reads the RDF stream if present in the file, & can display its EXIF tags in the EXIF studio panel. This may include items tagged as exif, tiff, xmp, dc, etc. metadata. Currently, Affinity Photo supports writing only to the default Description field, corresponding to ID 0x010e of Image File Directory 0 in the Exif image file specification.


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