Black border in Develop with Fujifilm X-T3 RAW

[Thomas_Photo]

Hi,

I am not sure if the Fujifilm X-T3 is officially supported, as there is no list yet with newly supported cameras.

Nevertheless, I get a strange black border either on top or bottom of my pictures, when loading in the newly 188 beta. This is with compressed .raf files. Haven't tested uncompressed.

[Chris B]

Hey Thomas_Photo,

It isn't on our supported list yet but with the release of 1.7 I would hope to see it make the cut. We don't generally get told what cameras will be given support until very close to public release.

[Thomas_Photo]

Hi Chris B,

thanks for your quick answer. I am aware of the official list, but in the 1.7 announcement thread it says: " A large number of new cameras are supported for RAW development ", so I thought I post it here, in case it's relevant for the developers.

Fingers crossed this will be fixed / supported.

Best regards,

Thomas

[Mark Ingram]

This black bar may be because we haven't cropped for your lens (probably missing lens data).

[C_Calmes]

I had a similar problem with my X-T20 in october 2017. I had to update the firmware of my Fuji to clear the problem. But in your case, it's probably due to Affinity that does not support X-T3 yet.

[Mark Ingram]

7 hours ago, C_Calmes said:

I had a similar problem with my X-T20 in october 2017. I had to update the firmware of my Fuji to clear the problem. But in your case, it's probably due to Affinity that does not support X-T3 yet.

We use the LensFun database currently (which is missing your X-T3 data), so if you are able and willing, you can upload calibration data here - https://wilson.bronger.org/lensfun_coverage.html

[Thomas_Photo]

The lens is not the problem, it works fine in Affinity when the image is taken with X-T20.

I see that the X-T3 is not supported yet. I will check on LensFun and see if I can contribute.

Thank you for your time and support Mark!

[robertjan88]

Any update regarding support for the X-T3?

[Thomas_Photo]

I sent an e-mail to Mr. Bronger from Lensfun in November about the X-T3 support, but got no answer yet.

What about Serif allocating some more ressources on camera support? I know that Lensfun is an external library, but that doesn't make it impossible for you to fix. I have contributed code to open source software for several years, and sometimes you just have to take a look at an external dependency, and send them a pull request with a fix/addition, in order to resolve a bug that affects your customers.

RAW development is an essential part of Affinity Photo. The X-T3 won several "Camera of the year" awards, and is mentioned as one of the best APS-C cameras on the market. Not supporting it is disaapointing and converting the RAW files with an external program is time consuming.

I have taken a look into Lensfun code and it seems that for a new camera, you only have to add the crop factor into this file: https://github.com/lensfun/lensfun/blob/4dd189fda265cd26baccf430470482d7f2528d3c/data/db/mil-fujifilm.xml

I am not sure which exact value the X-T3 has (approx 1.5), and not sure if that would fix the issue already but the lenses I use are supported and work fine in Affinity in combination with my X-T20 so it must be something missing for the X-T3.

Please try to resolve this issue.

 

[Thomas Helzle]

I have to agree with this.

I just uploaded three raw X-T3 images to the Dropbox address in the sticky thread but you can also just head over to DPreview and download a lot of example (Raw/JPG) images they took with different lenses on all kinds of cameras, of course including the X-T3.

But honestly, I never heard of the lens changing the crop factor? Isn't it the sensor/image size settings doing that?

I'm especially surprised since the beta claims to have a rewritten Xtrans sensor importer and the X-T3 has the new(est?) one, so of course I expected it now being supported???

So far somehow Affinity Photo doesn't really cut it for me. Every time I try it, something else doesn't work or isn't really up to snuff (HDR quality for instance, compared to Aurora HDR 2019).

Still keeping my hopes up though that one day I can use it! :-)

Cheers,

Tom

[fde101]

On 1/26/2019 at 1:05 PM, Thomas Helzle said:

HDR quality for instance, compared to Aurora HDR 2019

The current version of Aurora HDR is probably the best dedicated HDR software out there right now.

HDR merge in Affinity Photo is nice to have, but expecting the HDR merge functionality in a generic "all-purpose" photo program to compare well against a program that has been around nearly as long and which is specifically focused on exactly that task is perhaps expecting a bit much?

If you have both, do your HDR merges in Aurora to get the best-quality merge, adjust the exposure/contrast/white balance, do your tone mapping and the like, then export the resulting image and bring it into Affinity Photo for the more detailed manipulations afterward.

These types of programs seldom stand alone if you are trying to get the best possible results.

 

On 1/26/2019 at 1:05 PM, Thomas Helzle said:

I'm especially surprised since the beta claims to have a rewritten Xtrans sensor importer and the X-T3 has the new(est?) one, so of course I expected it now being supported???

The fact that it is a beta implies that it is not complete.  From what has been described so far in this and other threads it sounds like the X-T3 images are working but the images are simply not being cropped after distortion correction because the lensfun database does not have a profile for it yet.  Cropping the picture yourself until they get a profile added shouldn't be a big deal.

[Thomas Helzle]

What silly kind of answer is that fde101 and why do you feel the need to write it?

Why would I want to have a bad HDR merge function that produces mostly unusable results? If Affinity isn't able to produce a worthwhile merge, why have it at all? In another thread a user reacted by questioning his own HDR shooting practice because the results in Affinity (even after a staff member went over it) were quite bad.
Defending something bad does not help anybody, it just muddles the waters and confuses users.
The goal can't be to have bad quality tools, even in an all-purpose-software.

And since Affinity Photo claims to be a photo editor, why should it be unreasonable to expect it to support a camera like the X-T3 after more than 4 months?
It's not just the black bar, the colours also come in funny...

Cheers,

Tom

[someguy]

Is there an up to date list of officially supported cameras anywhere ?

[MPAffinity17]

I'm having the same problem with my xt3 and the18-55 lens. black curved bar appearing at the top.  Just wondering when it will be sorted.  It's more than disappointing not to be able to edit images.  And, I do agree the colours look a bit odd too.  Attached is a test shot...if it uploads.  

 

[Gnobelix]

Hello @MPAffinity17,
could you please upload the original RAW?

 

Cheers

 

[Jörn Reppenhagen]

Interesting find.

I am in love with the X-T20 and three lenses (XF 27 mm, XF 18 –  55 mm, XC 50 – 230 mm).

I also found this tiny issue with the beta (258), it does not occur with the regular 1.6.5.135 version.
Interestingly, pictures taken with the XF 27 mm are perfectly okay, just that two zoom lenses are affected.
Plus, the Lens Correction feature shows no effect with the zoom lenses (no effect if you switch it on and off), while it works as expected with the 27 mm prime lens.

Thus it looks like lens correction in the beta does not work at all for a set of lenses; maybe it's just inactive for Fuji zoom lenses.

Well, it's a beta. Till now, I did not find this issue change my life or stop the earth rotating. Might be different in Berlin.

 

[Mark Ingram]

21 hours ago, MPAffinity17 said:

I'm having the same problem with my xt3 and the18-55 lens. black curved bar appearing at the top.  Just wondering when it will be sorted.  

We're aware of a problem that causes the extra pixels to appear. For now you just need to crop the image.

[Jörn Reppenhagen]

@Mark Ingram: Please also have a look at the general implementation of the lens correction with Fuji cameras/lenses.

I found there's no lens correction at all with the regular version 1.6.5.135, lens correction seems to work with the beta, only.

[MPAffinity17]

Gnobelix - that was the RAW image.

Jorn Reppenhagen - I tried a prime and that looked OK too. Maybe the issue is due to the zoom.  

[Jörn Reppenhagen]

@MPAffinity17 - Just checked.

XF 27 mm prime lens: No lens correction with 1.6.5.135,  the beta does the correction.
XF 18 - 55 zoom lens: No lens correction with 1.6.5.135 and beta.
XC 50 - 230 zoom lens: No lens correction with 1.6.5.135 and beta.

So it seems the regular version does no lense correction with Fuji lenses at all, the beta does it with prime lenses, only.

Erm ... Just loaded another picture taken with the prime lens into the beta: Now the beta also does no lens correction.
Ah, guess I found the culprit: You can only switch lens correction on/off if the option "Apply lens corrections" is enabled in the "Assistant Manager". If it's disabled, the checkbox in the Lens tab intensely does nothing.

 

[Thomas_Photo]

The black borders are gone for me in Beta 293. Both with the XF 50mm f2 and the XF 23mm f2 lenses and the X-T3. Thank you for fixing the issue! Much appreciated!