theGoff Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Been waiting well over two years for this beta. Absolutely must have picas or the program is worthless. What's so difficult to understand here? Jowday, jmwellborn and KipV 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 13 hours ago, theGoff said: Absolutely must have picas or the program is worthless. What's so difficult to understand here? Right. Still not on any feature roadmap, Serif! jmwellborn and KipV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burny Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 8:02 PM, MikeW said: Oh, Kip. It's only a bug if it were available but didn't work in some fashion. Is not being able to have greater than 2 pages in a horizontal spread like in ID a bug also? The maximum is 10 pages. Quote Windows 10 21H2 - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10750H CPU @ 2.60GHz 2.59 GHz - 16,0 Go - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 51 minutes ago, Burny said: The maximum is 10 pages. I was referring to APub's current limitation. Burny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hum3 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 + 1 for incorporation of picas. Pretty please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Patrick Connor Posted September 27, 2018 Staff Share Posted September 27, 2018 @hum3 Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums You (and the many others here ) may be pleased to hear that we are currently internally testing picas as a new Affinity unit type. It may take a few iterations to implement perfectly, but soon enough should be what the contributors here are hoping for. It should be available in the next APub beta release due later this week, let us know if it works for you. jmwellborn, ijmsmith, KipV and 8 others 7 4 Quote Patrick Connor Serif Europe Ltd Latest V2 releases on each platform Help make our apps better by joining our beta program! "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man. True nobility lies in being superior to your previous self." W. L. Sheldon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Patrick Connor said: available in the next APub beta G r e a t ! And (later) for the AD beta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Patrick Connor Posted September 27, 2018 Staff Share Posted September 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Oval said: And (later) for the AD beta? Yes this is a new Affinity wide unit type. As long as the programmers remember to add it to the Ruler options it will be there in the first 1.7 beta of ADe and APh. jmwellborn and Oval 2 Quote Patrick Connor Serif Europe Ltd Latest V2 releases on each platform Help make our apps better by joining our beta program! "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man. True nobility lies in being superior to your previous self." W. L. Sheldon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Patrick Connor said: @hum3 Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums You (and the many others here ) may be pleased to hear that we are currently internally testing picas as a new Affinity unit type. It may take a few iterations to implement perfectly, but soon enough should be what the contributors here are hoping for. It should be available in the next APub beta release due later this week, let us know if it works for you. Hooray!!!!!! You Affinities are superb!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.3. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 28. September 2018 at 11:05 AM, deleted.185456 said: technology […] couldn't change the cultures of the nations world wide the bad news: it does every single nanosecond … and it brings more disadvantages than advantages [Joseph Weizenbaum] jmwellborn and Jowday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjpanda Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 10:05 AM, deleted.185456 said: Developing software dosen't mean to operate over the modification of all lenguage and typographic cultures, I'm sure about; technology could chande the world but couldn't change the cultures of the nations world wide. Great explanation, thank you. Sad that something so basic had to be explained to Affinity's developers. Clearly they need lots more input from potential users. To produce a program that professionals will want to adopt Affinity needs a better understanding of the job their software will be used for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 2:25 PM, deleted.185456 said: That technolgy could seen to change the cultures of the nations is due to the absolute absence of true culture in people who are convinced of this. That technolgy cannot change culture(s) is the opinion of some people that are no scientists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 4 hours ago, tjpanda said: Great explanation, thank you. Sad that something so basic had to be explained to Affinity's developers. Clearly they need lots more input from potential users. To produce a program that professionals will want to adopt Affinity needs a better understanding of the job their software will be used for. Nothing sad about this at all. The developers have already responded to our many requests about picas and have announced (see above) that this measurement option will be included in the next public Publisher beta. In my book they are CHAMPIONS at responding to input from potential users. I cannot think of any other entity (business, professions, government) that has been this genuinely attuned to its target population as the Affinity developers. Nor, I might add, as courteous and as helpful. As for me, I am not a potential user. I am lined up and ready to be first in line to purchase this addition to their Affinity group, if humanly possible. Ecifircas, Fixx, Patrick Connor and 1 other 3 1 Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.3. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, jmwellborn said: CHAMPIONS at responding to input from potential users Yep, but sometimes it needs much time to get green light. better late than never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Oval said: Yep, but sometimes it needs much time to get green light. better late than never They are working on so many things right now. Old adage: Patience is a virtue. Modern variant. Virtue is its own reward. Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.3. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, jmwellborn said: so many things right now / Patience Won! good excuses for minimum requirements that have been forgotten since the beginning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Thank you SO MUCH for the picas!!!!! But unless I am a blithering idiot, we still need a little help here. Unless one views at about 400% magnification, the rulers show picas in strange increments (i.e. 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24). For example, 12 picas are followed by three tiny little bars (which apparently represent 12p6, 13p and 13p6, and then by a taller bar that actually represents 14 picas. To be really useful, we need each pica in 3 segments (12p, 12p3, 12p6, 12p9, 13p, 13p3, 13p6, 13p9) etc. Each set of 4 increments of a single pica needs to be separated by a taller bar on the ruler. Otherwise we are going to be working with our noses about 3 inches from the computer screen. I am also going to add a new topic in the Suggestions section about rulers and Guide. Even so, I am so very happy about the picas, and am sure there must be thousands of others who will be too. Thank you again!!!! Patrick Connor 1 Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.3. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Ah ha!!! Just fiddled around with 400% magnification and dragging guides, and have discovered that the picas are actually broken into extremely small units. But just try settling on 12 picas. You get 11.p.10.4472. 24 picas is 23.p.10/7172. Etc. What???? Hel'l'l'l'l'l'l'll'p!!!! Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.3. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, jmwellborn said: Ah ha!!! Just fiddled around with 400% magnification and dragging guides, and have discovered that the picas are actually broken into extremely small units. But just try settling on 12 picas. You get 11.p.10.4472. 24 picas is 23.p.10/7172. Etc. What???? Hel'l'l'l'l'l'l'll'p!!!! It is fiddly but I could get it done quite easily, I do think this should be improved though. Do you have snapping on? Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwellborn Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: It is fiddly but I could get it done quite easily, I do think this should be improved though. Do you have snapping on? No. "Enable snapping" is not checked. But "Icon and text" do have checkmarks beside the little arrow and magnet icons in the toolbar. Quote 24" iMAC Apple M1 chip, 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16 GB unified memory, 1 TB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Photo, Publisher, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.3. MacBook Pro 13" 2020, Apple M1 chip, 16GB unified memory, 256GB SSD storage, Ventura 13.6. Publisher, Photo, Designer 1.10.5, and 2.1.1. iPad Pro 12.9 2020 (4th Gen. IOS 16.6.1); Apple pencil. Wired and bluetooth mice and keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I don't quite understand what you mean so I'll just go ahead and guess (probably wrongly). Try with this ( and of course unlock the guides, I just noticed I have them locked here in this picture) Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renfield Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 THANK YOU for picas in 1.7.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_sandb Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Any plans on adding Cicero to the measurements? This would help out an continental European a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, j_sandb said: Any plans on adding Cicero to the measurements? This would help out an continental European a lot. Not sure if you're being serious. And, definitely not an expert, but for whatever it may be worth, Wikipedia says: Quote Cicero (and the points derived from cicero) was used in the early days of typography in continental Europe. In modern times, all computers use pica (and the points derived from pica) as font size measurement – alongside millimeters in countries using the metric system – for line length and paper size measurement. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_sandb Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Not sure if you're being serious. And, definitely not an expert, but for whatever it may be worth, Wikipedia says: Quote Cicero (and the points derived from cicero) was used in the early days of typography in continental Europe. In modern times, all computers use pica (and the points derived from pica) as font size measurement – alongside millimeters in countries using the metric system – for line length and paper size measurement. Actually used it recently, it‘s still used in Switzerland and Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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