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     I am working through the Affinity Photo Workbook and up to page 125 everything has worked reasonably well (perhaps any snags were my fault!) BUT I have found a snag on page 126 --- when I tried the Lock on the Tone boost layer it didn't work!

    I have tried this several times, but still I can move the layer, even with the "padlock" activated. I have also tried it the previous exercise, with the same result.

    Is there a glitz with my copy of Affinity Photo, or am I doing something wrong? Help?

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Hi Merok1,

Welcome to the forums.

When the lock is enabled it stops the layer from being accidentally selected when you're working on the canvas area. The layer and the adjustment can still be edited from the Layers panel. 

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Hi Merok1!

 

Are you saying that even with the Tone Boost layer locked, you can move it with the Move Tool? When you try that, do you see the X's shown in the inset shown on page 127, indicating a locked layer?

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3 hours ago, Lee D said:

When the lock is enabled it stops the layer from being accidentally selected when you're working on the canvas area. The layer and the adjustment can still be edited from the Layers panel.

 

Why is it like this?

Why does not the layer lock protect against any modification?

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1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

Why is it like this?

Why does not the layer lock protect against any modification?

Just guessing but possibly because it would be annoying to have to unlock a layer to do any of the several things that can be done to a locked layer.

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I do not know, but write protect which allows write, me very practical does not seem.

If the main reason is only protection against selection, it should be called different and should have a different symbol, definitely not "lock". 

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As far as I know, the Affinity layer locking feature has never been described in the documentation as a "write protect" feature, which at least to me would imply that a protected layer could not be renamed, moved to some other point in the layer hierarchy, hidden/unhidden, rasterized or converted to curves where applicable, or otherwise modified in any way until its write protection was removed. Since I regularly modify locked layers in any of several different ways, I would be very annoyed if that was what it did, since it would mean a lot of extra clicking I would prefer to avoid.

 

I do not see anything wrong with using this name or symbol for the feature or any reason to change it, probably because I never expected it to be the equivalent of a write protect feature.

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40 minutes ago, R C-R said:

because I never expected it to be the equivalent of a write protect feature.

 

But I would expect it to be so, and that's why I ask for the importance of "locking".

 

I would expect the same meaning as the lock for the Aspect ratio locking, which will not allow it to change.

In my opinion, protecting the layer from unwanted modifications while maintaining its visibility would be useful.

It can be renamed, moving in hierarchy, hidden/unhidden, but no change of content.

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17 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

In my opinion, protecting the layer from unwanted modifications while maintaining its visibility would be useful.

It can be renamed, moving in hierarchy, hidden/unhidden, but no change of content.

I do not want or need any additional protection from unwanted modifications other than not being able to select a locked layer on the canvas. Since I can only select locked layers from the Layers panel, that is enough for me.

 

But aside from that, I like & not infrequently use the ability to change the content even when the layer is locked. For example, in Affinity Designer I often use a document sized rectangle as the equivalent of Affinity Photo's fill layer. I routinely lock it so it doesn't get moved off center accidentally. But I also like to experiment by changing its fill color, which I can do easily without having to unlock it first, which would be an extra step I would find annoying.

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Maybe introduce a lock and full lock

  • Lock allows editing but not movement or deletion
  • Full lock disallows editing and movement and deletion

Personally, I like the fact that a layer can be location-locked but still be editable for tweaking if selected from the layers panel.

In the work space, for all intents and purposes, editing and location are locked, which is what the lock feature is supposed to do - disallow editing within the workspace, because, if anything is going to get moved or accidentally knocked its in the workspace.

On the layers panel its generally a deliberate action of selection so the intent to edit is there, even if you accidentally select a layer from the layers panel nothing can be edited unless you take more action in which case it becomes a deliberate action.

One thing I didn't like from the layers panel was that you can delete a layer that's locked, I don't think deleting a locked layer should be allowable.

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4 hours ago, firstdefence said:

lock and full lock

 

Yes, like is in Photoshop.

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13 hours ago, R C-R said:

Affinity layer locking feature has never been described in the documentation as a "write protect" feature

 

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https://affinity.help/photo/English.lproj/pages/Panels/layersPanel.html

 

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https://affinity.help/photo/English.lproj/pages/LayerOperations/locking.html

 

"Prevent editing" I understand as "write protect".

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1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

"Prevent editing" I understand as "write protect".

But it should be obvious by now that it does not mean that in the Affinity apps. The first sentence in the Locking topic clearly states what it does:

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Locking is useful when you need to prevent a layer from being moved or transformed unintentionally.

 

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Hi Merok1,

Welcome to Affinity Forums :)

As Lee explained, you can always move a layer in the Layers panel to change its position in the layer's stack no matter if it's locked or not. Locking a layer only prevents you from moving/transforming it on canvas (to prevent accidental changes).

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8 minutes ago, Merok1 said:

Please see the attached to make it clearer.

What is that supposed to make clearer? As @Lee D said in the first reply & @MEB has just reiterated, locking does not prevent you from moving a locked layer on the Layers panel, just on the canvas.

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Well, anyway, 

if Affinity plans to move forwards the users who need not only photo part, but use it for wider options, this really needs some attention.

For example I would like to use this app for painting. For such usage current locking is lacking very useful features. At the moment I am not able to lock alpha and prevent from painting behind the current shape. That is something widely used in proces of painting during shading etc. 

And even the full locking is needed. When you got a photo layer and you wish to lock it, any accidental action is usually visible, eg once you use some filter or adjustment. But when I paint? I have no idea I got selected the wrong layer after some last transformation or something (which I use a lot during sketching). And with auto select behaviour it is much more likely to make such mistake and destroy some layer you did not intended to paint on. 

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On 7/8/2019 at 12:42 PM, hokic said:

For example I would like to use this app for painting. For such usage current locking is lacking very useful features. At the moment I am not able to lock alpha and prevent from painting behind the current shape. That is something widely used in proces of painting during shading etc. 

I am not sure this would do what you want, but have you tried toggling off Editable for the Composite Alpha channel in the Channels panel?

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Hi hokic,
Welcome to Affinity Forums :)
I'm assuming you are painting with the Paint Brush Tool. If so check/tick Protect Alpha checkbox from the context toolbar. If you can't see this checkbox in right most end of the toolbar click the ">>" symbol there to display a pop-up with the rest of the context toolbar options.

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Hi, R C-R, thank you very much, that solution worked ;)  And MEB, your once as well, it was hidden ;) Thank you too! Be sure, I have been searching and googling before I posted my post, but you are the one who helped to solve. 

Is there any way how to reorder the settings in the context? I have not found, as far as I am aware I can set only main toolbar, not context one. Currently I feel alpha is more often used feature for me then mirror etc. But it is just a suggestion, more important there is the alpha feature exists. Thank you!

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5 minutes ago, Josh Neufeld said:

Discovered today that locking a layer in Affinity Designer still allows its contents to be selected and deleted, which is exactly what I wanted to prevent by locking the layer. Is there another way to prevent selection or modification to a layer's components?

This has been discussed a few times before , e.g. here.   The addition of a lock feature that does what you're asking for has also been requested.

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Oddly enough, as I was moving layers around, occasionally a layer gets "stuck" (can't select or move) until I toggle the lock/unlock setting or rearrange the order of layers. Perhaps it's a software glitch but it's an annoying one that suddenly makes me hopeful that the functionality exists if I were smart enough to figure out how to make it work.

So bizarre that Affinity Designer looks so good but has some really weird feature omissions. Another obvious/essential feature is "Select same..." - missing even though seemingly easy to implement. And yes, I know that the Select same issue has been raised and discussed to death over the past few years. 

I'm often asked if I recommend Affinity Designer. I wish that my response could be as enthusiastic as I'd like it to be... frustrating.

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56 minutes ago, Josh Neufeld said:

Discovered today that locking a layer in Affinity Designer still allows its contents to be selected and deleted, which is exactly what I wanted to prevent by locking the layer. Is there another way to prevent selection or modification to a layer's components?

Hi Josh Neufeld,
Where are you selecting the locked layer? Directly  on canvas or in the Layers panel? You shouldn't be able to select them on canvas, only in the Layers panel (which we consider a deliberate action). Currently there's a known bug that allows to select locked layers if you draw a marquee to select them on canvas. This is being looked at. If that's not your case can you post a sample file showing the issue please? Thanks.

 

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