RESET THE ORIENTATION OF A ROTATED IMAGE

[Segnika]

 

Ciao ragazzi, sicuramente e' una domanda banale ma... sapete dirmi quale e' il comando per  "resettare" l'orientamento di una forma in affinity designer?
Grazie infinite a tutti!
 

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Hi guys, it's definitely a trivial question but... can you tell me what the command is to "reset" the orientation of a shape in affinity designer? Thank you so much everyone!

[Pšenda]

 

[Segnika]

no...mi correggo: il comando "Aggiungi" nella versione 2.2.1 non funziona.
Mentre sulle precedenti versioni funzionava!
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no...I correct myself: the "Add" command in version 2.2.1 does not work.
While on previous versions it worked!

[Dan C]

Hi Segnika, 

You should be able to do the same operations as listed. 

Use either period "." or Select > Cycle Selection Box to toggle between methods. What is the issue you are having with the Geometry > Add command?

Lee

[Segnika]

6 minutes ago, Lee_T said:

Ciao Segnika, 

Dovresti essere in grado di eseguire le stesse operazioni elencate. 

Utilizzare uno dei due punti "." oppure Seleziona > Casella di selezione del ciclo per alternare tra i metodi. Qual è il problema che riscontri con il comando Geometria > Aggiungi ?

Lee

Ho provato amico mio ma...non funziona!
(con tutte le altre versioni precedenti invece funziona benissimo)

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I tried my friend but...it doesn't work!
(with all other previous versions it works fine)

[R C-R]

In AD 2.2.1 on my Mac Geometry > Add does not reset the selection box for me either. Same with the new beta.

[Pšenda]

Just now, R C-R said:

In AD 2.2.1 on my Mac Geometry > Add does not reset the selection box for me either.

For me (Win) deletes the curve layer 😞

[R C-R]

1 minute ago, Pšenda said:

For me (Win) deletes the curve layer 😞

For me Geometry > Add will delete a curve if it is open & unfilled; otherwise it won't delete it. Weirdly, if it is open & filled, Geometry > Add will close the curve, but in no case will it reset the bounding box. 

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, R C-R said:

For me Geometry > Add will delete a curve if it is open & unfilled; otherwise it won't delete it. Weirdly, if it is open & filled, Geometry > Add will close the curve, but in no case will it reset the bounding box. 

So using the above command as the "official" (Serif recommended) way to reset the box is quite strange.

[Dan C]

12 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

So using the above command as the "official" (Serif recommended) way to reset the box is quite strange.

The linked comment above from my previous post only officially recommends using the Cycle Selection Box option, unless I am misunderstanding the Staff post you're referring to?

Further within the linked thread, a different user suggests the 'Add' option as a workaround.

1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

For me (Win) deletes the curve layer 😞

As I understand it, Boolean operations are only technically designed for Closed Curves. Using Boolean operations on Open Curves can result in the curve layer being removed and I do not believe that is a bug according to our developers.

1 hour ago, R C-R said:

In AD 2.2.1 on my Mac Geometry > Add does not reset the selection box for me either. Same with the new beta.

It appears as though this previous workaround has been inadvertently removed, due to a semi-related Boolean fix in 2.2 - this has been reported as a bug here, but is still currently awaiting confirmation from our team:

I certainly understand the usefulness of using 'Add' to reset the bounding box, so hopefully our devs will agree and recognise the above report as an issue to be resolved -  but I believe the only officially supported method is to use the Cycle Selection Box option, which is only a temporary change for the Bounding Box of the layer.

This option is still working as expected for me in both 2.1 and 2.2

[KCP]

35 minutes ago, Dan C said:

The linked comment above from my previous post only officially recommends using the Cycle Selection Box option, unless I am misunderstanding the Staff post you're referring to?

Further within the linked thread, a different user suggests the 'Add' option as a workaround.

As I understand it, Boolean operations are only technically designed for Closed Curves. Using Boolean operations on Open Curves can result in the curve layer being removed and I do not believe that is a bug according to our developers.

It appears as though this previous workaround has been inadvertently removed, due to a semi-related Boolean fix in 2.2 - this has been reported as a bug here, but is still currently awaiting confirmation from our team:

I certainly understand the usefulness of using 'Add' to reset the bounding box, so hopefully our devs will agree and recognise the above report as an issue to be resolved -  but I believe the only officially supported method is to use the Cycle Selection Box option, which is only a temporary change for the Bounding Box of the layer.

This option is still working as expected for me in both 2.1 and 2.2

Thank you for the update. The add/reset function was a very good hack for non-editable shapes. I hope the intention is to re-enable that option again soon or, better yet, add a designated "Reset Bounding Box" function. 

[Pšenda]

23 minutes ago, Dan C said:

Using Boolean operations on Open Curves can result in the curve layer being removed and I do not believe that is a bug according to our developers.

Do you think that deleting a layer with a command that has nothing to do with "deleting" (on the contrary - the Add command should add something) is completely fine?

26 minutes ago, Dan C said:

As I understand it, Boolean operations are only technically designed for Closed Curves.

If this command is designed only for "closed" curves, why is it offered for "open" ones as well? So shouldn't it be properly (by design) disabled to use this command that even deletes the layer? For example, by disabling the Add command (in the menu and toolbar) when selecting a layer with an open curve?

[Dan C]

6 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

Do you think that deleting a layer with a command that has nothing to do with "deleting" (on the contrary - the Add command should add something) is completely fine?

55 minutes ago, Dan C said:

I do not believe that is a bug according to our developers.

Unfortunately as I'm simply a member of the Technical Support team, the decisions regarding the apps are not mine to make - hence the wording choice used above. 

I can only (and have previously) make convincing arguments to our developers to suggest what I (or our users) believe should be the expected behaviour of the Affinity apps, but the developers who write the code have the final say in these things. 

6 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

If this command is designed only for "closed" curves, why is it offered for "open" ones as well? So shouldn't it be properly (by design) disabled to use this command that even deletes the layer? For example, by disabling the Add command (in the menu and toolbar) when selecting a layer with an open curve?

As I understand it, using the 'Add' operation on an Open Curve with a Fill will Close the curve, which is expected behaviour. If no fill is present, the curve is deleted.
This is the behaviour that R C-R confirms above.

At this time, the 'Add' operation does not check the object to see if a fill is present, disabling the option when one is not applied- this would make for a good Feature Request post for our devs to consider in the future.

[R C-R]

FWIW, because it is not intuitive or obvious, I think that instead of Layer > Geometry > Add resetting the rotation of a shape there should be a command explicitly to do this, perhaps as a separate item on the Layer > Geometry submenu named "Reset Selection Box Rotation" or some such.

Also, while I'm at it, it seems like the AD Select menu is a weird place to put the Cycle Selection Box command, & I miss not having it as a button on the context toolbar for the Move & Node tools like there was in V1.

[Pšenda]

14 hours ago, R C-R said:

FWIW, because it is not intuitive or obvious

I'll just add why it's absolutely necessary to have the explicit command (so often requested) to reset the box:
... and does not work in all circumstances (see open curve), ...

Actually, I don't even understand the point and purpose of temporarily resetting the box - it's just a visual representation of the box, but it can't be used for anything. I would still understand if this temporary reset could be used for a subsequent operation - for example, if I encapsulate a rotated object in a group, then either the rotated bounds or the temporarily reset bounds will be used. Today, rotated borders are used in all cases (so often larger).

 

14 hours ago, R C-R said:

Also, while I'm at it, it seems like the AD Select menu is a weird place to put the Cycle Selection Box command, & I miss not having it as a button on the context toolbar for the Move & Node tools like there was in V1.

Apparently it was removed because the box reset is only visual - it's not usable for any operations.
The correct location of the command should be in the Layer menu, as it only applies to the selected layer/object.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Pšenda

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[Dan C]

16 hours ago, R C-R said:

FWIW, because it is not intuitive or obvious, I think that instead of Layer > Geometry > Add resetting the rotation of a shape there should be a command explicitly to do this, perhaps as a separate item on the Layer > Geometry submenu named "Reset Selection Box Rotation" or some such.

There is currently an improvement request logged with our developers specifically for this and our team are looking into adding this as a dedicated option. I've 'linked' this thread to the request, so that our team can see how many users are requesting this.

I've also explained that previous to 2.2 there was a known workaround with Add, but since this has been lost due to unrelated Boolean fixes, the dedicated option is more wanted than ever

[lepr]

5 minutes ago, Dan C said:

so that our team can see how many users are requesting this

add me to the count, please

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[thomaso]

+1
(regardless of my currently used V1)

[R C-R]

5 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Actually, I don't even understand the point and purpose of temporarily resetting the box - it's just a visual representation of the box, but it can't be used for anything.

It has at least one use. It can be used with the Transform panel to influence how the W, H, R, & S fields affect the selected object.

[NotMyFault]

+1

[Pšenda]

44 minutes ago, R C-R said:

It has at least one use. It can be used with the Transform panel to influence how the W, H, R, & S fields affect the selected object.

Since after entering the value, the reset is canceled and thus the value changes to rotated, so it looks quite messy 🙂 Despite the fact that you have to reset/cycle the box 4 times to enter all 4 values.
According to Help, the main purpose is apparently to make it easier to snapping.

[R C-R]

3 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Since after entering the value, the reset is canceled and thus the value changes to rotated, so it looks quite messy 🙂 Despite the fact that you have to reset/cycle the box 4 times to enter all 4 values.

After cycling the box I can change all the values in the Transform panel without it resetting so I am not sure why you can't do the same.

But yes, it also can be useful for snapping.

[Ash]

Hi All,

We have now added a new function to permanently set the bounding box to whatever you have cycled it to in the 2.4 beta which is available to try now...