BryherPatch Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Hi, I am lucky enough to have received one of the very early production Sony A7IV's. I have tried to open the ARW's in Affinity photo but it says the profile is not supported. Does anyone either know of a workaround or when Affinity will be updated to include the A7IV ARW format? Many thanks Quote
NotMyFault Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, BryherPatch said: Hi, I am lucky enough to have received one of the very early production Sony A7IV's. I have tried to open the ARW's in Affinity photo but it says the profile is not supported. Does anyone either know of a workaround or when Affinity will be updated to include the A7IV ARW format? Many thanks Hi and welcome to the forum. In case of cutting edge photo gear, you better use the vendor raw converter until Affinity apps (and other vendor & free apps) gained functionality to read these files. For best image quality and compatibility, use tiff/16 as intermediate format. another important choice is color format / profile. Depending on final use case (web / print / others), you must choose between ROMMRGB, DCI-P3, sRGB, (mainly digital/web/photo paper), and AdobeRGB (mainly print). Affinity normally won’t publish any roadmap / timelines. Past experience (e.g. introduction of CR3 format) is anywhere between several month up to 1-2 years. Swearing or complaints about this unfortunate situation didn’t show any effect in reducing the wait. BryherPatch 1 Quote Mac mini M1 A2348 | MBP M3 Windows 11 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 | Dell 27“ 4K iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. I use iPad screenshots and videos even in the Desktop section of the forum when I expect no relevant difference.
NotMyFault Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, BryherPatch said: but it says the profile is not supported Could you please upload one example RAW file? On iPad and Mac, you could switch from Serif to Apple RAW engine. Sometimes Apple is faster to support new cameras. Quote Mac mini M1 A2348 | MBP M3 Windows 11 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 | Dell 27“ 4K iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. I use iPad screenshots and videos even in the Desktop section of the forum when I expect no relevant difference.
v_kyr Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, BryherPatch said: ... I have tried to open the ARW's in Affinity photo but it says the profile is not supported. Does anyone either know of a workaround or when Affinity will be updated to include the A7IV ARW format? ... The Sony A7IV is actually not yet supported, neither by libraw nor by Apple's RAW engine, that cam is still too fresh on the maket therefor. - You can always check the actual by Affinity (and it's libraw based RAW engine) supported cams here: [FAQ] List of Supported Raw Cameras (1.10.x) for Desktop & Lens Correction list The latest by macOS Moneterey and ios 15 supported ones can also been seen, via the link in the above shown FAQ references: on macOS Monterey and iOS 15 BryherPatch 1 Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2
Alfred Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, NotMyFault said: Sometimes Apple is faster to support new cameras. The SerifLabs Raw engine largely depends on LibRaw, and the last LibRaw snapshot was 202101 (i.e. January of this year). Minor updates are generally for bug fixes, with no new cameras added. Major releases are only published once every eighteen months or so. BryherPatch 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
Alfred Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, NotMyFault said: For best image quality and compatibility, use tiff/16 as intermediate format. XnView MP (free for private or educational use) offers batch conversion from ARW to TIFF. BryherPatch 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
NotMyFault Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Alfred said: XnView MP (free for private or educational use) offers batch conversion from ARW to TIFF. XnView seems nice - but it always converts to 8bit/channel. Any way to get 16bit per color channel results? I did not find any solution in settings or online help Quote Mac mini M1 A2348 | MBP M3 Windows 11 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 | Dell 27“ 4K iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. I use iPad screenshots and videos even in the Desktop section of the forum when I expect no relevant difference.
walt.farrell Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Alfred said: XnView MP (free for private or educational use) offers batch conversion from ARW to TIFF. But does it have support yet for this new camera? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Alfred Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Alfred said: XnView MP (free for private or educational use) offers batch conversion from ARW to TIFF. 13 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: But does it have support yet for this new camera? It seems to do the job, according to the user who asked about it and then supplied their own workaround: BryherPatch 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
NotMyFault Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Where is the advantage of XnView over Sony’s own converter? (except wider support for 3rd party lenses, but it can be corrected via Affinity Photo). I would not accept 8bit color depth for RAW. BryherPatch 1 Quote Mac mini M1 A2348 | MBP M3 Windows 11 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 | Dell 27“ 4K iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. I use iPad screenshots and videos even in the Desktop section of the forum when I expect no relevant difference.
v_kyr Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Alfred said: It seems to do the job, according to the user who asked about it and then supplied their own workaround: Well the question in turn is, does it really interpret the RAW data here or just extracts/uses the embedded JPG image from the RAW here then? - Since from the XnView MP changelogs I can see ... Quote ... Changelog 0.99.0:2134: [New] Qt 5.15.62126: [New] JPEGXL 0.52095: [New] libwebp 1.2.02077: [New] LibHeic updated, EXIF-XMP output2076: [New] LibJPEGXL updated2075: [New] Libraw instead of dcraw2132: [New] Batch rename: ignore extension for # - viewtopic.php?t=422442128: [New] Set DPI - viewtopic.php?t=421342124: [New] Batch convert: Environment vars - viewtopic.php?t=42125 ... ... and so that it also uses libraw nowadays. 1 hour ago, NotMyFault said: Where is the advantage of XnView over Sony’s own converter? There is probably no Advantage other then a quick turnaround preview & save handling, since Sony's own converter should be superior! User_783649 1 Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2
User_783649 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Unfortunately, it seems like XnView MP is still offers 8bit process. In 2017 https://forum.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?t=35540 And in 2019-2020 https://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?t=38733 Nothing has really changed in this matter. Quote
IanSG Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Alfred said: The SerifLabs Raw engine largely depends on LibRaw, and the last LibRaw snapshot was 202101 (i.e. January of this year). The last snaphot was202110 and it added support for the A7R-IVA. I don't know if that helps the OP though. Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10
ashf Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 LibRaw is too slow to add new camera support. It's easier to use Adobe DNG converter for a RAW that's not supported in Libraw. Quote
v_kyr Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, IanSG said: The last snaphot was202110 and it added support for the A7R-IVA. I don't know if that helps the OP though. It will be supported probably in the next release versions, since FastRawViewer LLC which uses it's own LibRaw LLC, tells for it's actual FastRawViewer 2.0.2 Release Candidate ... Quote Camera Support added Fujifilm GFX50S II Nikon Z fc Sony ILCE-7RM3A (A7R-IIIA), ILCE-7RM4A (A7R-IVA) Preliminary/limited support: ILCE-7M4 (A7-IV) Nikon Z9 (Standard compression only; for High Efficiency raw compression embedded JPEG is displayed) Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2
BryherPatch Posted December 2, 2021 Author Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/1/2021 at 2:22 PM, NotMyFault said: Could you please upload one example RAW file? On iPad and Mac, you could switch from Serif to Apple RAW engine. Sometimes Apple is faster to support new cameras. Hi, I am a windows user but thanks for the Apple suggestion anyway. I have attached 3 x RAW files in the differing formats the camera supports. Not the most inspiring subject and ISO is at 8000 Lossless Compression.ARW Uncompressed.ARW Compressed.ARW Quote
BryherPatch Posted December 2, 2021 Author Posted December 2, 2021 22 hours ago, NotMyFault said: Where is the advantage of XnView over Sony’s own converter? (except wider support for 3rd party lenses, but it can be corrected via Affinity Photo). I would not accept 8bit color depth for RAW. Good suggestion. I have tried the Sony Imaging Edge Viewer and exported 16 bit TIFF. Seems to work fine although the file balloons from about 50Mb to 160Mb. Quote
Old Bruce Posted December 2, 2021 Posted December 2, 2021 Using Mac with either the Apple engine or the Serif engine I could open both the Uncompressed and the Compressed files, but not the Lossless Compression file. BryherPatch 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Komatös Posted December 2, 2021 Posted December 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: Using Mac with either the Apple engine or the Serif engine I could open both the Uncompressed and the Compressed files, but not the Lossless Compression file. I can also, except for the Lossless Compression file, open the other two with Affinity Photo on Windows 10. BryherPatch 1 Quote MAC mini M4 | MacOS Sequoia 15.3.1 | 16 GB RAM | 256 GB SSD AMD Ryzen 7 5700X | INTEL Arc A770 LE 16 GB | 32 GB DDR4 3200MHz | Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (26100.3194) Affinity Suite V 2.5.7 & Beta 2.6 (latest) Interested in a free (selfhosted) PDF Solution? Have a look at Stirling PDF Ferengi Acquisition Rule No. 49: “A deal is a deal is a deal.”
BryherPatch Posted December 2, 2021 Author Posted December 2, 2021 51 minutes ago, Komatös said: I can also, except for the Lossless Compression file, open the other two with Affinity Photo on Windows 10. Doh!! I had selected the Lossless compression and hadn't thought to test the other 2 formats!! I confirm they also work for me on Win 11. Thanks for your help 👍 That is a fairly reasonable workaround until the lossless feature works. Komatös, Old Bruce and NotMyFault 3 Quote
jpizzle Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 Any update on this? Are the A7IV .ARW files supported yet? Thinking about buying this camera myself, but may wait if A7IV raw photos are not supported yet. Thanks! Quote
walt.farrell Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, jpizzle said: Any update on this? Are the A7IV .ARW files supported yet? Thinking about buying this camera myself, but may wait if A7IV raw photos are not supported yet. Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums. The A7IV camera is on the supported cameras list for the desktop applications. From that, and what's said above, it should work as long as you don't try to use Lossless Compression in your camera settings. (Note: the A7R IV is a different camera model, not yet on the list, and perhaps not fully supported.) Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
BryherPatch Posted January 26, 2022 Author Posted January 26, 2022 No problems with RAW/.ARW (except possibly still with Lossless, I haven't re-tested for a while), it all works fine in Affinity. Quote
Gnobelix Posted January 26, 2022 Posted January 26, 2022 Only as a side note. The current beta (....1282) can also open the lossless file. Cheers Quote Affinity Photo 2.5: Affinity Photo 1.10.6: Affinity Designer 2.5: Affinity Designer 1.10.6: Affinity Publisher 2.5: Affinity Publisher 1.10.6: Windows 11 Pro (Version 24H2 Build (26100.3037)
lsilva.m Posted April 9, 2022 Posted April 9, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 2:34 PM, Gnobelix said: open the lossless file is it normal that the image shown in develop is not cropped? I am asking this because when I open a `compressed` file the image is already cropped and it matches the .jpeg, but when I open the `lossless` there is some black edges and I need to zoom to about 120% to match the jpeg. is it always this away or is it lens dependent? (I was using the kit lens) Quote
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