Joanna Carter Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 If I work on a RAW file in DxO, I can adjust the basic RAW settings, then move on to more local adjustments, etc and, at any time, I can return to the RAW adjustment palettes and find the levels just as I left them. In Affinity Photo, I find that going back to the "Develop personna", all the sliders are reset to zero, so I have no idea what the original adjustments were if I should want to back them out slightly. Is this intentional, or am I missing something? In summary, what I want to do is to develop the RAW image, possibly retouch parts of it in the Photo personna, then readjust the RAW settings a bit more. Is this possible ? Quote
HVDB Photography Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 You'll need to save your adjustments as a preset first ! (Icon in the right upper corner) Quote Affinity Photo 2.3.1 Laptop MSI Prestige PS42 Windows 11 Home 23H2 (Build 22631.3007) - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8565U CPU @ 1.80GHz 2.00 GHz - RAM 16,0 GB
R C-R Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Joanna Carter said: In Affinity Photo, I find that going back to the "Develop personna", all the sliders are reset to zero, so I have no idea what the original adjustments were if I should want to back them out slightly. Is this intentional, or am I missing something? In Affinity Photo, currently the development process is destructive, meaning you cannot undo any part of the development process after you click the "Develop" button. However, this does not touch the original RAW file, so in that limited sense it is non-destructive. The developers say they would like to add non-destructive development (in the general sense) to the app but there is no ETA for that or any details about how it would work. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.7 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7
Joanna Carter Posted October 24, 2018 Author Posted October 24, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 5:20 PM, HVDB Photography said: You'll need to save your adjustments as a preset first ! (Icon in the right upper corner) That's an interesting workaround. But I suppose that means I either destroy the preset once the image is "finished" or I end up with a massive list of presets, one for each version of the images But thank you for the idea, I'll try it out. On 10/23/2018 at 12:07 AM, R C-R said: In Affinity Photo, currently the development process is destructive, meaning you cannot undo any part of the development process after you click the "Develop" button. However, this does not touch the original RAW file, so in that limited sense it is non-destructive. That's what I was afraid of and where DxO wins hands down. My situation is that I am trying to find a "low-cost" alternative to Photoshop, to recommend to members of our photo club, many of whom are not even used to processing their images on a computer. Since I am likely to be the one to teach the course, and being a Mac user, I was really hoping to find something as simple as Apple's free Photos app but less flakey and prone to crashing. DxO is comparatively expensive but something I fell in love with as soon as I took up a friend's recommendation and started using it. Unfortunately, there is a lot of resistance to paying the price and, since Affinity comes from Serif, whose software I used to use on Windows, and which is supposed to be similar to Photoshop (which I use for scanning and editing large format film negatives), I was really hoping it would have something similar to DxO's ease of use. Don't get me wrong, Affinity may be very useful as a replacement for Photoshop but, one thing I never liked about Photoshop was the "two stage import RAW then edit" workflow. I'll play with Hubert's idea and see if that isn't going to be too difficult to teach On 10/23/2018 at 12:07 AM, R C-R said: The developers say they would like to add non-destructive development (in the general sense) to the app but there is no ETA for that or any details about how it would work. Hmmm. If the developers want an idea, I suggest they look at DxO Quote
Old Bruce Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Joanna Carter said: On 10/22/2018 at 8:20 AM, HVDB Photography said: You'll need to save your adjustments as a preset first ! (Icon in the right upper corner) That's an interesting workaround. But I suppose that means I either destroy the preset once the image is "finished" or I end up with a massive list of presets, one for each version of the images But thank you for the idea, I'll try it out. Could you not have a small list of starter presets for recurring types of images? Not the solution you need/want but better than starting from zero each time. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Joanna Carter Posted October 24, 2018 Author Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Old Bruce said: Could you not have a small list of starter presets for recurring types of images? Not the solution you need/want but better than starting from zero each time. Unfortunately, very few images have the same starting point. It's more a case of experience and feeling that determines what gets adjusted and when. And over 50 years of photographic experience doesn't make it any easier Quote
R C-R Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Joanna Carter said: Hmmm. If the developers want an idea, I suggest they look at DxO What, for higher prices, or for copying something from DxO's software that might interest DxO's lawyers? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.7 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7
MikeW Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, R C-R said: What, for higher prices, or for copying something from DxO's software that might interest DxO's lawyers? It's another one of those...Geez, R C-R moments... Serif needs to use a sidecar file. Which is how most all RAW developers work. There's nothing, and I mean nothing, patentable about sidecar files. They are (usually/often/always) XML files that store the settings for a given image. I personally will not develop in PS or Affinity Photo or anything else that doesn't either A) use sidecar files or, B) does not store the live settings (ala Photoline, which I also do not use for developing for reason A). Dedicated RAW developers are far faster to run images through whether the shoot is consistent or not. And did I mention one can return to change those settings at will and with ease and speed? hifred and Wosven 2 Quote
hifred Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, MikeW said: I personally will not develop in PS or Affinity Photo or anything else that doesn't either A) use sidecar files (...) Just a little correction here. Photoshop does use sidecars and is incredibly fast with numerous RAW files open. You can embed the RAW to a psd, which may very handy - and of course you may return to the unprocessed RAW at any time. Quote
R C-R Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, MikeW said: It's another one of those...Geez, R C-R moments... It was just intended as a mostly lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek comeback for the "look at DxO" comment, but there is no emoji for that. After all, DxO software is considerably more expensive that Affinity software, & considering the company's shaky finances, it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that its lawyers would be interested in anything that might generate more revenue for the company, like infringement on any of its dozen or so patents, or licensing those patents to other companies like Serif, which would in turn mean higher prices for the products that use them. Such is business in the 21st century. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.7 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7
Fixx Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeW said: Serif needs to use a sidecar file. Which is how most all RAW developers work. There's nothing, and I mean nothing, patentable about sidecar files. I kinda prefer adjustment data to be in database. It is faster to process. I use Lightroom for this. Probably there should be a simple mechanism to use both, like exporting database to sidecars, or even embed to RAW extension. At the moment I feel there is too much proprietary workflows and not enough open standards. Quote
MikeW Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, hifred said: Just a little correction here. Photoshop does use sidecars and is incredibly fast with numerous RAW files open. You can embed the RAW to a psd, which may very handy - and of course you may return to the unprocessed RAW at any time. Well, I was wrong...but my version uses a database by default so that's why I never saw XMP or XML files. Thanks for the correction! But I will still use a faster application to process. Maybe it's just that me and PS doesn't get along, but processing and exporting tiffs just is faster outside of it. Patrick Connor 1 Quote
hifred Posted October 24, 2018 Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, MikeW said: Well, I was wrong...but my version uses a database by default so that's why I never saw XMP or XML files. Yeah, it's configurable, database or xmp, pretty flexible actually. 2 hours ago, MikeW said: But I will still use a faster application to process. Maybe it's just that me and PS doesn't get along I am very happy with the editing speed of my old CS6. Anything else I tried so far as a replacement is slower, at least for my RAW use-case. Affinity lacks not only a RAW workflow which plays well with other apps, but it's 'develop one image at a time' paradigm rules it out for anyone who wants to edit series of images efficiency. Quote
firstdefence Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 If you need a RAW editor that is non destructive, Free, easy to use, and covers all the popular Operating Systems (Windows, Mac, Linux) Rawtherapee is pretty good. That should make most of your club happy. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Sequoia 15.0 (24A335), iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions
hifred Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 7 hours ago, firstdefence said: If you need a RAW editor that is non destructive, Free, easy to use, and covers all the popular Operating Systems (Windows, Mac, Linux) Rawtherapee is pretty good. That should make most of your club happy. I think, standalone RAW editors are most useful for those users who can do the full processing of most images in there and who only rarely have a need for compositing, text overlays etc. For those who start with RAW and who typically end up with a layered file, using a separate RAW (by another vendor/which doesn't know anything about the further editing pipeline) only means a needless workflow-complication. It's interesting though, that some popular programs which started as RAW only tools now add Layers and Text tools and allow editing several RAWs on one canvas - they morph to compositing tools. steffo24 1 Quote
HVDB Photography Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Interesting is that for additional editing you can direct export to Affinity Photo. Just define the export path in preferences. Quote Affinity Photo 2.3.1 Laptop MSI Prestige PS42 Windows 11 Home 23H2 (Build 22631.3007) - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8565U CPU @ 1.80GHz 2.00 GHz - RAM 16,0 GB
Alfred Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 5 hours ago, firstdefence said: covers all the popular Operating Systems Make that all the popular desktop operating systems! I don’t know about Android, but Rawtherapee isn’t currently available for iOS. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
v_kyr Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Isn't this already the Affinity on Desktop Questions forum section (?). - However, yes Rawtherapee is only available for certain desktop operation systems. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2
hifred Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 20 hours ago, HVDB Photography said: Interesting is that for additional editing you can direct export to Affinity Photo... That's pretty good and probably as good as it gets between an external 3rd party RAW app and the layer based editor. That said: I feel zero inclination to drop my legacy, more than 5 years old Photoshop CS6 in favour of this approach, (even if I considered Affinity ready to take over the compositing portion - which I don't). This division meant having to think about colour spaces vs. a setup which just works throughout a whole suite of programs - I'm simply not willing to give silly RAWs that much of an extra role. In PS one has so far an integrated solution, that one may safely discard all input RAWs and still has the source file inside the psd. Highly attractive when editing many file in a row - I only keep the psd's. Upon doubleclick in the PS layerstack one is back in the RAW workspace and if necessary one may export the unprocessed file as well. Quote
firstdefence Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 5 hours ago, αℓƒяє∂ said: Make that all the popular desktop operating systems! I don’t know about Android, but Rawtherapee isn’t currently available for iOS. Android is cut and shut Linux lol! Quote iMac 27" 2019 Sequoia 15.0 (24A335), iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions
Alfred Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, firstdefence said: Android is cut and shut Linux lol! Well, I did say: 6 hours ago, αℓƒяє∂ said: I don’t know about Android Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
v_kyr Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, firstdefence said: Android is cut and shut Linux lol! And somehow sadly a Java API programming nightmare, especially if you have to support older Android versions too. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2
Robert-G Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 Hello all, I dropped adobe few months ago and now look into what would be a practical workflow. Going to do some flambient shoots on a regular basis, shooting in RAW. I see that its possible to do a layer stack with RAW images, however it wil not allow me to use adjustment layers for what I can see. So one possibility for me is to develop in Capture one and then import into affinity photo. but if possible I would like to skip that step and do it all in Affinity. Do you have any suggestions for me? Many thanks, Robert Quote
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