Denny Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I've posted before about file sizes and am still curious. I've recently used Affinity Photo to put together an 11.5 x 9" mailer for a client and was astonished that it was nearly 400mb. By comparison the same design in Pages is about 23mb. Attached screenshots show just the front side. On the Affinity document there is a second layer for the backside, on the Pages document it is a second page but in both cases the backside is fairly similar to the front side consisting of several images and various boxes and text. As much as I love using both Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer I'm afraid I'll start shying away from using them if they are consistently producing files of that size. When I've got a bit of time I might try assembling the same flyer in Photoshop and InDesign to get an idea of file sizes in those apps. See attachments. Thanks in advance for any insight. Denny Figmatt and Ecifircas 2 Quote Web & Graphic Design @ beardyguycreative.com Kit: iPad Pro 12.9" and 2012 MacMini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff DWright Posted April 7, 2016 Staff Share Posted April 7, 2016 Hi Denny, Are you using any live layers in the Photo document and if you export the image does the file size reduce or remain the same. Regards, Darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 Hey Darren, Using layers but not live filter layers. Only effect used is drop shadow on a few things. Export to high resolution pdf results in very acceptable (and expected) 7 & 9mb files. Thanks! Denny Quote Web & Graphic Design @ beardyguycreative.com Kit: iPad Pro 12.9" and 2012 MacMini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 The large file sizes happen because our file format is optimised for loading speed rather than size. The original images were probably JPEG, but in we store them as ZIP which does not really compress photographs at all. To add insult to injury, we typically store the JPEG as well, and then store multiple copies of the image at successively smaller resolutions. There was a plan to have a "minimise space" option on the Save dialog, but it's not happened yet. I think we will have to do something before Publisher, because Publisher documents could be hundreds of pages and have a lot of images. matt.r and R C-R 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Ben Posted April 8, 2016 Staff Share Posted April 8, 2016 I think we need to see your original file, and your afphoto file. There will be reasons that your file is large - saved history, resampled image data, etc. But, we can't say just by being shown a screen grab. Can you provide a drop box link. Thanks. Quote SerifLabs team - Affinity Developer Software engineer - Photographer - Guitarist - Philosopher iMac 27" Retina 5K (Late 2015), 4.0GHz i7, AMD Radeon R9 M395 MacBook (Early 2015), 1.3GHz Core M, Intel HD 5300 iPad Pro 10.5", 256GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 Thanks Dave and Ben. Ben, I'm uploading to Dropbox and will message you a link! Quote Web & Graphic Design @ beardyguycreative.com Kit: iPad Pro 12.9" and 2012 MacMini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Ben Posted April 8, 2016 Staff Share Posted April 8, 2016 Your file has loads of embedded images. These are all at a higher DPI than the document. Affinity stores all images at their original resolution to allow for resizing without loss to quality. We also create scaled versions for fast loading. These are stored with lossless ZIP compression, so will be larger than original JPEG source data. I went through your document and rasterised every Image layer - this will resample the image to the document DPI, creating a Pixel layer instead. Saved to a new file - the result is about 49MB. As Dave pointed out - we store raster data in a special way to facilitate fast saving and loading. It does mean that files are larger. This is something we will address for the Publisher app. Another thing to note is that we currently do not do linked embedded documents. The entire source image will be stored in your Affinity file. If you place the same image a number of times, there will be some overhead. We try to remove duplicate raster data for pixel layers. The source file will, however, be embedded multiple times. You may see an improvement if you place an image once, then use copy-paste to duplicate it, instead of placing an image multiple times. Ecifircas and R C-R 2 Quote SerifLabs team - Affinity Developer Software engineer - Photographer - Guitarist - Philosopher iMac 27" Retina 5K (Late 2015), 4.0GHz i7, AMD Radeon R9 M395 MacBook (Early 2015), 1.3GHz Core M, Intel HD 5300 iPad Pro 10.5", 256GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 Fantastic and very helpful information Ben. I can deal with that kind of file size far better - that's a incredible decrease in storage use and exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks!!! MattP 1 Quote Web & Graphic Design @ beardyguycreative.com Kit: iPad Pro 12.9" and 2012 MacMini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekoh Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Your file has loads of embedded images. These are all at a higher DPI than the document. Affinity stores all images at their original resolution to allow for resizing without loss to quality. We also create scaled versions for fast loading. These are stored with lossless ZIP compression, so will be larger than original JPEG source data. I went through your document and rasterised every Image layer - this will resample the image to the document DPI, creating a Pixel layer instead. Saved to a new file - the result is about 49MB. As Dave pointed out - we store raster data in a special way to facilitate fast saving and loading. It does mean that files are larger. This is something we will address for the Publisher app. Another thing to note is that we currently do not do linked embedded documents. The entire source image will be stored in your Affinity file. If you place the same image a number of times, there will be some overhead. We try to remove duplicate raster data for pixel layers. The source file will, however, be embedded multiple times. You may see an improvement if you place an image once, then use copy-paste to duplicate it, instead of placing an image multiple times. Hello I have the same problem but I do not comprehend your reply completely. I understand why afphoto file size is huge(362mb, my case). I wonder if you have better around. What I did when I use noise reduction (luminance extreme) to remove noise on my 42mb image, taken at ISO6400. I developed the raw and 362mb afphoto was created. Then I export this 362mb afphoto to jpeg for further edit and delete 362mb afphoto. I did this so that I do not save all the huge afphoto files. Am I doing it correctly or is there a better way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Ekoh, JPEG is a lossy format incapable of storing layers, vector shapes, & other features of the native Affinity file format. To preserve the highest possible image quality & to enable future edits, I recommend that you do not delete the afphoto files unless you are certain you will not mind the quality loss. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe FM Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 4/8/2016 at 10:44 AM, Ben said: Your file has loads of embedded images. These are all at a higher DPI than the document. Affinity stores all images at their original resolution to allow for resizing without loss to quality. We also create scaled versions for fast loading. These are stored with lossless ZIP compression, so will be larger than original JPEG source data. I went through your document and rasterised every Image layer - this will resample the image to the document DPI, creating a Pixel layer instead. Saved to a new file - the result is about 49MB. As Dave pointed out - we store raster data in a special way to facilitate fast saving and loading. It does mean that files are larger. This is something we will address for the Publisher app. Another thing to note is that we currently do not do linked embedded documents. The entire source image will be stored in your Affinity file. If you place the same image a number of times, there will be some overhead. We try to remove duplicate raster data for pixel layers. The source file will, however, be embedded multiple times. You may see an improvement if you place an image once, then use copy-paste to duplicate it, instead of placing an image multiple times. Hi Ben, is there any updates on this? I have some huge files going on here too and it would be nice to have small ones, as I only work with linked images. Thanks! Ecifircas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Felipe FM said: Hi Ben, is there any updates on this? I have some huge files going on here too and it would be nice to have small ones, as I only work with linked images. Linked images (JPG, TIFF, PNG) work just fine. Documents (PDF, .afpub, .afdesign, .afphoto, SVG, EPS, ...) are always embedded currently, though they can be linked to the extent that you'll be notified of changes to the original. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe FM Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Got it. Is "link document" (particularly .afdesign and .afphoto) somewhere in the roadmap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Felipe FM said: Got it. Is "link document" (particularly .afdesign and .afphoto) somewhere in the roadmap? Only Serif would know, and typically they won't say, but sometimes they do. We'll have to wait to see if one of the moderators gives any hint Felipe FM 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecifircas Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Hey, any progress on the "minimise space" option? It would be very useful for archiving older large files in an efficient way... RuthlessBunny and Designwiz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100michelle100 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 tried to resize a image in affinity pretty simple thing, you would of thought Sizing it down to 90by90 pixels Its coming out at 226kb I need it to be 90kb max? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Hi and welcome to the forums @100michelle100, A few questions. I am going to assume you are exporting a file after resizing an Affinity document. What sort of Document? Is it from Designer, Photo or Publisher? Also are you running Mac or Windows OS? What file format are you exporting to? PNG, JPEG, GIF, TIFF? What is the bit depth of the exported file 8 or 16? What is the colour format of the export RGB orCMYK? Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Tried exporting 90X90 px RGB file to png, size is 269 bytes (4 kB on disk). Admittedly, it is single colour and I ticked off all metadata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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