Set Selection to select whatever it touches without fully selecting the whole object.

[MoonaticDestiny]

You know how if you click and drag to select objects you have to FULLY select the objects to select those objects? If you dont select the whole object its not going to select that object but itll select everything else it FULLY selected. So you have to select everything for the selection tool to select what you want. 

My question is how do I set the selection to select everything it touches. Even if I didnt FULLY select the object. I still want my object selected. Like how adobe illustrator does it. What gets selected is selected. Not how it is in affinity where your HAVE TO select the WHOLE object for it to be selected. 

I want to set the app to where what gets selected with the click and drag selection tool gets selected. 

[Fixx]

It is in the preferences.

(Now I do not remember if you can toggle it live with modifier key?)

[v_kyr]

Yes as Fixx said, take a look under the "Preferences > Tool options" here ...

• Preferences - Tool options

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Tools options:

• Choose whether an object is added to a selection when partially covered by the selection marquee or whether it has to be encompassed by the marquee.

 

[Ron P.]

I think this is what you're looking for.

[MoonaticDestiny]

10 hours ago, v_kyr said:

Preferences > Tool options

Ahhhh. Yes. There it is. Its called "Select object when intersects with selection marquee" under the preferences for tools. Thank you to all 3 of you. @Fixx @v_kyr @Ron P.I appreciate it. 🙏

[David in Яuislip]

It would be kinda nice if you could sweep say left to right and only objects fully covered would be selected or if you swept right to left then anything that was touched would be selected. I seem to remember AutoCAD ........

[MoonaticDestiny]

2 hours ago, David in Яuislip said:

left to right and only objects fully covered would be selected or if you swept right to left then anything that was touched would be selected.

Oh! I love that! I honestly do like it when my selection doesnt select objects I didnt fully select but then I also like to turn it off and only select what it touches. Its a back and forth love relationship. The left to right and right to left solves that. I really want that. 

[R C-R]

11 minutes ago, MoonaticDestiny said:

Oh! I love that! I honestly do like it when my selection doesnt select objects I didnt fully select but then I also like to turn it off and only select what it touches. Its a back and forth love relationship. The left to right and right to left solves that. I really want that. 

I am not sure if there is an equivalent on Windows but on Macs, holding down the CTRL (Control) key toggles (reverses) the selection behavior.

So if you are using a Mac & usually want it not to select objects unless they are fully surrounded by the marquee, turn off the option. When you do want to select partially covered objects, hold down the CTRL key. This is a 'live' toggle -- IOW, you can hold down the key at any time before you release the mouse button to make the selection.

[MoonaticDestiny]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

holding down the CTRL (Control) key toggles (reverses) the selection behavior

Oh! Yeah! It does work on mac. You gotta turn off the setting and hit CTRL while you click and drag. It tells you if youre selecting 1 or 2 objects. This is so cool. Thank you so much, friend! 

[MoonaticDestiny]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

holding down the CTRL

I still wish left to right and right to left was available because I dont want to hold down CTRL. 😕  I just want to click and drag and get back to work. 

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, MoonaticDestiny said:

I still wish left to right and right to left was available

I definitely don't want that.

 

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, MoonaticDestiny said:

Oh! Yeah! It does work on mac. You gotta turn off the setting and hit CTRL while you click and drag.

It works the other way, too. If you turn on the setting, then holding down CTRL turns it off for as long as you hold down CTRL.

[Pšenda]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

if there is an equivalent on Windows

Unfortunately, no.

[MoonaticDestiny]

4 hours ago, R C-R said:

It works the other way, too.

Oh! Great! I wanted the setting on, but I thought turning it off was the only way. Cool. I'll turn it on then and hit ctrl when I need to. Thank you. 

[lacerto]

10 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Unfortunately, no.

As practically always, there is, but the equivalent to using the Ctrl key on macOS on Windows is holding down the left and right mouse buttons simultaneously (so in this case you'd release left button first (or both simultaneously) to get the alternative behavior). In many situations this is rubbish usability solution (which in most situations could be avoided by very little effort, but Serif has decided that it needs to be a consistent equivalency to the use of Ctrl key on macOS, even in situations where simultaneous use of the left and right mouse buttons is nearly impossible to perform and another modifier key would be free to use). But in some situations, like here, it works reasonably well.

[Pšenda]

5 hours ago, Lagarto said:

As practically always, there is, but the equivalent to using the Ctrl key on macOS on Windows is holding down the left and right mouse buttons simultaneously (so in this case you'd release left button first (or both simultaneously) to get the alternative behavior).

Thanks for the information - this crazy, and in most cases completely unusable combination, would not really occur to me. It's a pity that it is not mentioned in the StatusBar, so that the user can find out (it is stated in the Help, but it easily escapes the attention and especially the memory of the users).

 

6 hours ago, Lagarto said:

But in some situations, like here, it works reasonably well.

I can not agree. This really works quite well when making object selections - there's no problem pressing the right button to the already held left button is easy to do.
But a big finger twister, which unnecessarily requires a high level of user concentration, occurs when the selection is completed, because the buttons must be released in a precisely defined order or completely at the same time. And since the right button was added last, there is a good chance that the hand will also release it first, and so the selected objects will be modified again. Compared to the classic Ctrl modification key press, this is a really significant usability deterioration.

[PaulEC]

21 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

This really works quite well when making object selections - there's no problem pressing the right button to the already held left button is easy to do.
But a big finger twister, which unnecessarily requires a high level of user concentration, occurs when the selection is completed, because the buttons must be released in a precisely defined order or completely at the same time. And since the right button was added last, there is a good chance that the hand will also release it first, and so the selected objects will be modified again. Compared to the classic Ctrl modification key press, this is a really significant usability deterioration.

I have to agree. While actually holding down both mouse buttons is not a major problem, making sure you release them in the right order is a pain in the ****!

Just holding down Ctrl would be so much easier!

[lacerto]

1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

But a big finger twister, which unnecessarily requires a high level of user concentration

It is definitely not good but in practise (after some practice) you most often succeed releasing the left mouse button at the moment you press down the right mouse button. But considering that the Ctrl key would be free for the task (while dragging), making this as a UX similar as on macOS, would make more sense. Or supporting both, to also keep the consistency (^key on macOS being equivalent on code-level to using the left and right mouse buttons on Windows). 

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, PaulEC said:

I have to agree. While actually holding down both mouse buttons is not a major problem,

It is a major problem if one uses a trackpad rather than a mouse, as many (most?) trackpads won't let you press both "buttons" at the same time.

[v_kyr]

13 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

It is a major problem if one uses a trackpad rather than a mouse, as many (most?) trackpads won't let you press both "buttons" at the same time.

Usually not since those support a buch of settable/customizable more finger taps and other gestures, even a modifier key in combination with a trackpad/touchpad can be assigned to perform certain different tasks here...

 

There are various settable options for a modern notebook based or external trackpad/touchpad too!

 

[walt.farrell]

26 minutes ago, v_kyr said:

Usually not since those support a buch of settable/customizable more finger taps and other gestures

Sorry; I'm not sure what your "usually not" means, and whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

[v_kyr]

33 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

and whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

In german we would say "JEIN" (yes & no) here, since it depends on the kind of touchpad/trackpad for Win ...

• How to configure your touchpad in Windows 10

... on MacBooks with their build-in and/or with their external Apple touchpad it's no theme, those are customizable via setup accordingly.

[walt.farrell]

Thanks, @v_kyr. I'm still not sure I see any settings to simulate pressing both the left and right buttons, though, when the trackpad doesn't physically allow it.

[v_kyr]

Here are the gestures you can use if your PC has a precision touchpad:

• Click: Perform a left-click by simply tapping on the touchpad. You don’t have to to press it down or click a button.
• Right-click: To perform a right-click instead of a left-click, tap with two fingers on the touchpad. You can also tap with one finger in the lower-right corner of the touchpad.
• Click + Right click:  simultanious left & right mouse button click.
• Alternative: setup a 3-finger tap to perform left + right click.

In the past for older Synaptics touchpads etc. one could setup a modifier keyboard key together with a touchpad action to let it perform that left + right mouse click action together. Aka Ctrl + Touchpad tap or Alt + touchpad tap. - Nowadays the toupads do recognize and can distinguish between much more finger taps (2-finger, 3-finger, 4-finger) for customizing these things.

[Pšenda]

10 hours ago, Lagarto said:

but in practise (after some practice) you most often succeed releasing the left mouse button at the moment you press down the right mouse button.

I'm glad you're used to this way of control, but unfortunately it's completely useless for me. I can't even imagine how easy (and how long they will probably need training) it will be possible to handle older users with impaired mobility, or users with disabilities.