debraspicher Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I saw that this was reported in the iPad section, but just wanted to report here that it is in Windows version as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Sean P Posted June 13, 2019 Staff Share Posted June 13, 2019 Hi debraspicher, Thanks for letting us know. I'll get your comments passed on to development. debraspicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raglet Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Don't hold your breath for this fix @debraspicher. This issue was reported over 2 years ago and there's no sign of it being even considered let alone fixed. All I've heard since I reported it is a message like this from the moderators saying that it's a known issue and that it's been passed on to the dev team. Jowday, debraspicher, Friksel and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debraspicher Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 9 hours ago, raglet said: Don't hold your breath for this fix @debraspicher. This issue was reported over 2 years ago and there's no sign of it being even considered let alone fixed. All I've heard since I reported it is a message like this from the moderators saying that it's a known issue and that it's been passed on to the dev team. Nice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oclero Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Hi, I also have this issue and find it very annoying. I hope it will be fixed soon, please. Thanks and keep up the good work, Affinity team. debraspicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/13/2019 at 10:30 AM, raglet said: Don't hold your breath for this fix @debraspicher. This issue was reported over 2 years ago and there's no sign of it being even considered let alone fixed. All I've heard since I reported it is a message like this from the moderators saying that it's a known issue and that it's been passed on to the dev team. I just got a similar thing I believe with it being inaccurate. Some points are made correctly some are changed to points that don't match the shape. The tips of my paths aren't expanding and matching the shape with curves. What are you guys doing to work around this or should I refund my purchase? 2 years is quite a long time for a bug. debraspicher and Jowday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debraspicher Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 Yeah it's unfortunate it has taken this long to correct the feature. I'm not usually keen to complain, but Expand Stroke is such a major feature for shape-building. It's part of my "typical" workflow. I tend to keep my simpler designs for Affinity Designer and anything super complex, I do in Illustrator because I tend to run into too many bugs or limitations. I still prefer Designer as Illustrator is getting rather slow & clunky. Jowday and Dazmondo77 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raglet Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 11:24 PM, debraspicher said: Yeah it's unfortunate it has taken this long to correct the feature. I'm not usually keen to complain, but Expand Stroke is such a major feature for shape-building. It's part of my "typical" workflow. I tend to keep my simpler designs for Affinity Designer and anything super complex, I do in Illustrator because I tend to run into too many bugs or limitations. I still prefer Designer as Illustrator is getting rather slow & clunky. Yes, I agree. I hate complaining too and it's quite pissing off when people think they're entitled to new features from software companies. However, the reason I think this is different is the lack of any information, for over 2 years, about a critical feature that this company proudly claims on their sales page. debraspicher and Designwiz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Randolph Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Heya... I know many of you have heard this workaround a few times, but others haven't: the warped stroke expansion happens when you're working at a small scale (10s of pixels wide). If you do your initial drafting at a larger size and then export at your target size, you'll get the correct results. As an example workflow, if you're designing a 64x64 icon, setup your artboard as 640x640px with grid lines every 10px. Draw as you normally would (but y'know large), and when your icon is ready to go, hop into the Export Persona, set the slice's output to 64w and voila! The exact small graphic you were trying to draw. I know this bug is impacting a lot of your ability to use Affinity Designer, but as with a lot of techniques when we're coming from Illustrator, you have to work a slightly different way here. In this case, AD prefers to draft at larger scales. But like... that's why we work in vector, right? One of the big reasons, at least. It's scalable. We draw on an arbitrary artboard and spit out final graphics that are 10 pixels wide or 30 feet wide. Hope this helps someone. I think this program is super rad. Valerian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raglet Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 10:28 AM, CJ Randolph said: Heya... I know many of you have heard this workaround a few times, but others haven't: the warped stroke expansion happens when you're working at a small scale (10s of pixels wide). If you do your initial drafting at a larger size and then export at your target size, you'll get the correct results. As an example workflow, if you're designing a 64x64 icon, setup your artboard as 640x640px with grid lines every 10px. Draw as you normally would (but y'know large), and when your icon is ready to go, hop into the Export Persona, set the slice's output to 64w and voila! The exact small graphic you were trying to draw. I know this bug is impacting a lot of your ability to use Affinity Designer, but as with a lot of techniques when we're coming from Illustrator, you have to work a slightly different way here. In this case, AD prefers to draft at larger scales. But like... that's why we work in vector, right? One of the big reasons, at least. It's scalable. We draw on an arbitrary artboard and spit out final graphics that are 10 pixels wide or 30 feet wide. Hope this helps someone. I think this program is super rad. Hi @CJ Randolph, while the scale does make things a little better it is still most certainly not pixel perfect. As you can see in the attached image, which is a 640px x 640px canvas, the red expanded stroke does not line up perfectly with the black original stroke below it. There's seems to be a fundamental issue with the way the software goes about converting strokes to fills. Molumen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molumen Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 This bug has been reported in Designer 1.6 as far as November 3rd, 2017. Since then, nothing has changed. In this post I even compared different vector drawing software with Affinity Designer (Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, and the opensource Inkscape). All perform way better than Designer at expanding strokes... :( debraspicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 5 hours ago, raglet said: Hi @CJ Randolph, while the scale does make things a little better it is still most certainly not pixel perfect. As you can see in the attached image, which is a 640px x 640px canvas, the red expanded stroke does not line up perfectly with the black original stroke below it. There's seems to be a fundamental issue with the way the software goes about converting strokes to fills. I don't want to make icons that are blurry so pixel perfect accuracy is a must. They do market for icons and pixel perfect accuracy so this is still disappointing. The suite is meant to work together from what I understand, and I don't want/need to depend another program to do this (Inkscape, etc). debraspicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debraspicher Posted June 22, 2019 Author Share Posted June 22, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 1:08 AM, raglet said: Yes, I agree. I hate complaining too and it's quite pissing off when people think they're entitled to new features from software companies. However, the reason I think this is different is the lack of any information, for over 2 years, about a critical feature that this company proudly claims on their sales page. Yes! Pixel hinting is so important to achieve a professional look. Not achieving this, it's not a finished work in my opinion. To go this long without a fix is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molumen Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Designer 1.7.1 I created a file that clearly shows the amount of inaccuracy after expanding strokes. I took white icons and grouped them on a black background. I duplicated the group on top of the first one, painted it black, and expanded strokes. The white color of the original, non-expanded icons that is visible, shows the difference between expanded and non-expanded. Each icon is about 40x40 pixels. The original afdesign file is attached to this post. icons.afdesign Zatlap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debraspicher Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Molumen said: Designer 1.7.1 I created a file that clearly shows the amount of inaccuracy after expanding strokes. I took white icons and grouped them on a black background. I duplicated the group on top of the first one, painted it black, and expanded strokes. The white color of the original, non-expanded icons that is visible, shows the difference between expanded and non-expanded. Each icon is about 40x40 pixels. The original afdesign file is attached to this post. icons.afdesign Strangely enough I just tried to expand stroke on the original group in that file. It produced what appeared to be accurate results. I captured it on video and the result was within the first 12-18 seconds... the menu is hidden in the overlay, I am using Windows Game recorder... I tried a few more times Affinity Designer 2019-06-22 19-32-52.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, debraspicher said: Strangely enough I just tried to expand stroke on the original group in that file. It produced what appeared to be accurate results. I captured it on video and the result was within the first 12-18 seconds... the menu is hidden in the overlay, I am using Windows Game recorder... I tried a few more times Affinity Designer 2019-06-22 19-32-52.mp4 I tried on a simple circle on a document of 640 x 640 and can still see the inaccuracies. This is zoomed in to see the lower magenta layer peeking out from inaccuracies when you couldn't see it before expanding the stroke with Designer updated to 1.7.1.404. I didn't get a chance to try the file provided, but wanted to try the resolution trick myself. Still great software. Edited June 23, 2019 by Valerian added version information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molumen Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 9 hours ago, debraspicher said: Strangely enough I just tried to expand stroke on the original group in that file. It produced what appeared to be accurate results. I captured it on video and the result was within the first 12-18 seconds... the menu is hidden in the overlay, I am using Windows Game recorder... I tried a few more times Affinity Designer 2019-06-22 19-32-52.mp4 If you look closely, you'll notice that there is a clearly visible distortion appearing on circular objects when you expand their strokes. It may seem OK from afar, but if you use those icons in an app on a small screen with high pixel density, it'll look veeeeeery bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molumen Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Valerian said: I tried on a simple circle on a document of 640 x 640 and can still see the inaccuracies. This is zoomed in to see the lower magenta layer peeking out from inaccuracies when you couldn't see it before expanding the stroke with Designer updated to 1.7.1.404. I didn't get a chance to try the file provided, but wanted to try the resolution trick myself. Still great software. Designer is indeed a great software, but it is still not suitable for pixel-perfect work debraspicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debraspicher Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 hours ago, Molumen said: If you look closely, you'll notice that there is a clearly visible distortion appearing on circular objects when you expand their strokes. It may seem OK from afar, but if you use those icons in an app on a small screen with high pixel density, it'll look veeeeeery bad... Yeah there's definitely a shift in the line when making the move to expansion. I was expecting a more dramatic result like your image which is why I was confused at first. It's slight, but there's enough that it changes the weight of the line that it appears accurate, but it's not acceptable for achieving any kind of pixel-hinted look. (i.e. professional) I noticed this when working in my own designs and manipulating your file. If it were just a padding issue, would be at least workable, but the paths themselves are being misinterpreted. Molumen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rschenk Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I just wanted to chime in a +1 on this bug. This feature is crucial for me and I find myself constantly switching back to Illustrator to use it. Designwiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molumen Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Seems to be fixed in 1.8.0.585. I just checked the Expand Stroke, and it's VERY accurate now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artcraft Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 10:40 PM, Molumen said: Seems to be fixed in 1.8.0.585. I just checked the Expand Stroke, and it's VERY accurate now! no its not accurate at all, DIN A4, 300 dpi, big image, strong deformation. Edit: Added file to attachment FILE: stroke.afdesign Jowday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 6:09 PM, Artcraft said: no its not accurate at all, DIN A4, 300 dpi, big image, strong deformation. If you need a workaround to get the job done, temporarily reduce the document PPI from 300 to 30 so that objects' dimensions measured in pixels are reduced by a factor of 10, do the stroke expansion, and then restore the PPI to the required 300. Affinity apps appear to use pixel as the unit of measure under the hood, so the workaround will provide an additional decimal place of precision in floating-point calculations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogosByDim Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Hi, I am also here to add another extra vote to this issue because it just happend to me as well. I am following the Affinity Designer Workbook project Lace Frame Galleries 1, and when preparing the Distressed Look version of the logo for export in SVG, the book says the following: Quote If you wish to export the distressed version of the logo, you'll need to use Expand Stroke for all the objects set to Erase blend mode, then add them together before subtracting from the base logo. When I select the distressed stroke shape and use Expand Stroke, all of the lines become disastrously damaged. 1st image is before expanding the stroke, 2nd image is after the stroke is expanded. Notice how the most damage happens where the stroke pressure varied the most in terms of weight, which was done using the Pressure pop-up panel in the Stroke Panel as the Workbook instructed to do. Excuse me, but let this become first priority for the Development Team as this has been reported years ago. Absolutely disappointing! Jowday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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