Jump to content
DarkClown

Basic Workflow with regards to window handling

Recommended Posts

Todays: Workflow and WINDOWS
(putting all my critics in one thread seems to overtax you - since 90% gets lost)

- if you resize (zoom in/zoom out) the content of an undocked window can you please resize the window accordingly. (if the resulting content is smaller than the workspace of the screen, adapt the window accordingly, if the content is larger, maximize the window frame with scrollbars)
- If you zoom a view too 100% the position of the content seems to be "random". Please instead center the content and resize the window accordingly! (I know you can do it since you do it with the "fit window" view as well)
- having all windows floating a new document should start in floating mode as well
- when selecting  "float all" the content of all windows should be centered and not randomly put somewhere over the screen - (one is happy to find the content at all). Window size should be adapted to content.
- One should be able to drag and drop a layer from one document into another document (not just with CTRL+c CTRL+v). Additionally: when trying to drag and drop the user gets the impression It would work based on the way the cursor changes when you drag a layer into another document - but in fact nothing happens.
- ESC still does not cancel essential operation e.g. cropping

Most of these bullet points have been mentioned many years ago even though they are absolutely crucial workflow topics. And we are not talking complicated additional features and rocket science - we are talking absolutely BASICS! You just simply ignore them. People that seriously try to work with the software are not of interest for you guys - what upsets me. I keep bringing them up every 6 month what seems to be a complete waste of time. I would roughly guess that AP takes up 30%-40% additional mouse-movements, keystrokes and actions to get to the same results as PS does JUST and purely due to your extremely poor workflow and handling issues. And we all know that time is money.

Cheers, Timo


iCore i7-3770, 3.50GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, Windows 10 Pro - AP, AD and APublisher latest final & beta
http://www.timobierbaum.com

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/23/2019 at 8:28 AM, Chris J said:

Thanks for these workflow suggestions @DarkClown. I can assure you they are not ignored.

Cheers!

Chris

Have been for a couple of years by now ;-) ... Don't worry ... I'll keep annoying you guys with them and you'll keep ignoring them ... works out pretty well ...

Cheers, Timo


iCore i7-3770, 3.50GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, Windows 10 Pro - AP, AD and APublisher latest final & beta
http://www.timobierbaum.com

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK guys, you made my day ... latest beta Version ... I was allover excited to read that at least one out my 69 bullet points seem to have found it's way into the program.

But than ... Do you know this feeling when you are not sure if you want to burst out laughing ... or maybe start crying like hell? Thanks for that emotional roller-coaster.

YES, when in floating mode you now open a new window somehow "floating" as well ... But you now open the new window in a new "container" of an already existing floating window. This is USELESS! I never though you could possibly do this wrong - but you managed. New floating window means really a NEW floating window ... not attaching it in some kind of container to an existing floating window (and docking it de facto as well). Feels like you deliberately want to prove that my suggestion is stupid. And the way you implemented it it's true! And yes, I got the message that you really don't work with it yourself and don't see the use in it ... I guess I have to be more precise and detailed in describing a useful workflow.

And I promise - I will never again say you ignore my suggestions again ... PROMISE!

 

Cheer, Timo


iCore i7-3770, 3.50GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, Windows 10 Pro - AP, AD and APublisher latest final & beta
http://www.timobierbaum.com

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Timo, we looked at other applications to see how they implemented this workflow suggestion, and we implemented it in the same way as them (i.e. new windows are docked into floating containers). I apologise if this isn't what you meant in your original suggestion "having all windows floating a new document should start in floating mode as well", as you can probably appreciate, that single sentence was reasonably ambiguous.

We do appreciate the suggestions, but please tone down on the negativity ("This is USELESS! I never though you could possibly do this wrong - but you managed.", etc).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's an interesting implementation. In a mixed mode, with some windows floating and some docked, if one of the docked windows has the focus, then File > New and File > Open will make the new window docked.

In Float All mode, or if one of the floating windows has the focus in mixed mode, the new document opens docked within that window. But it can easily be dragged into its own floating window.

It would be nice if there were a Preference for that latter behavior, so that the user could say "always open a new window as floating by itself", and save the need to do the drag. Please consider that for the future.


-- Walt

Windows 10 Home, version 1903 (18362.145), 16GB memory, Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00Gz, GeForce GTX 970
Affinity Photo 1.7.1.404 and 1.7.2.424 Beta   / Affinity Designer 1.7.1.404 and 1.7.2.424 Beta  / Affinity Publisher 1.7.1.404 and 1.7.2.422 Beta

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said:

Timo, we looked at other applications to see how they implemented this workflow suggestion, and we implemented it in the same way as them (i.e. new windows are docked into floating containers).

Hmm, seems like Photoshop wasn't among the apps you looked at ...  (frankly spoken I don't know any app that implements new windows the way you do it - now)

4 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said:

I apologise if this isn't what you meant in your original suggestion "having all windows floating a new document should start in floating mode as well", as you can probably appreciate, that single sentence was reasonably ambiguous.

I agree with you - there was space for interpretation that I haven't thought of - I guess my mistake. I'll try to be more specific on my suggestions.

6 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said:

We do appreciate the suggestions, but please tone down on the negativity ("This is USELESS! I never though you could possibly do this wrong - but you managed.", etc).

I'll try to ... can be a result of over-boarding cynical emotions ;-) ... First part is a fact ... and agree: I could have saved the second part.
Try to see the positive side: If I'd have given up on Affinity I wouldn't be still constantly posting improvement suggestions and testing your software - for the price of an old mans rant. I'll add a couple more good-mood-smileys in future. :-)


iCore i7-3770, 3.50GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, Windows 10 Pro - AP, AD and APublisher latest final & beta
http://www.timobierbaum.com

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, DarkClown said:

Hmm, seems like Photoshop wasn't among the apps you looked at ...  

It was ;-)

Have you changed some preferences in PS? I haven't, and by default, it docks in a floating container...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Mark,

just checked again for the setting in PS. Not sure what is the default but by the looks of it you have a checkbox "open document as tab" in PS settings for the interface that triggers this behavior. Wasn't checked on my system but when activated the windows behavior is similar to AP (wasn't even aware of that). Would it be possible to choose the behavior in AP settings too and alternatively have a new document in a separate floating window?

Cheers, Timo

Good mood smiley :-)


iCore i7-3770, 3.50GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, Windows 10 Pro - AP, AD and APublisher latest final & beta
http://www.timobierbaum.com

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×