popster Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Yes, licensed under Apache with permissions listed here: https://github.com/webmproject/WebPShop/blob/master/LICENSE For other questions: https://groups.google.com/a/webmproject.org/forum/#!forum/webp-discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 2 hours ago, popster said: wouldn't be a very difficult rewrite for someone who knows their stuff Affinity Photo doesn't support file import/export plugins at this time, so it would need to be done by Serif and integrated into the product, at least unless/until that changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:-P Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 JPEG XR is only supported in IE and early version of EDGE. Have a look on Can i Use It page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spleeding Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Seeing that this post was started 2 years ago and still not implemented: I am in web development and am looking to optimize images. I went to the Can I Use It as listed above and I think I understand the hesitancy of Serif to invest resources to implement this. Currently it appears as though WebP format is the best choice. However, in it's description you find: Quote AVIF and JPEG XL are designed to supersede WebP. And these are not supported very well yet. As soon as you get one top choice everyone else tries to be the new top choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndog Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Webp is supported by most browsers. JPEG XL are supported by NONE. I would not hold my breath based on this information and stick to using WebP which is dramatically better than PNG, JPG and other current formats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balqan Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 There is this comment from 2019, where Andy Somerfield explains that they don't like adding a feature that they are not sure it will be useful in the future. He also mentions here that they planed to include it in version 1.9. Not that I would have the skills to do it, but wouldn't be better to approach export support for exotic formats with a plugin? This way the Affinity team would not be bound to support it as part of the entire package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spleeding Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 They might have planned it, but they didn't do it. Maybe a plugin would be a good option, though no one has made it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I think there is no software architecture in AP to support export plugins (yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Fixx said: I think there is no software architecture in AP to support export plugins (yet). Serif PhotoPlus was developed for more than fifteen years but only ever supported effects plugins. I very much doubt that we’ll see support for export, acquisition, automation, or file format plugins in Affinity Photo any time soon. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndog Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 We are not talking about an exotic format when we request webp export. It’s disappointing Serif has not addressed and incorporated this modern and highly efficient format. https://caniuse.com/?search=webp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 You can read this (now closed) thread for a discussion about WebP: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/132059-webp-roadmap/ The most important post is the last one by Patrick Connor and the link therein. Serif have spoken – all we can do is wait and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBowen Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 As a recent purchaser updating from a long history (~15 years) with Photo Plus and many other Serif products, thanks for pointing our another retrograde step from the now discontinued Plus product line. All three of these formats, requested two years ago were available in Photo Plus X8 (see attached screen shot of the export menu in Ph+X8). The lack of a way to create a tiled display of images as in all the Ph+ versions I can recall, is also a disturbing down-grade in the new product. How on earth can one quickly make comparisons between the shots taken in a burst without being able to tile the images quickly (it has been confirmed by a long term user of Affinity Photo that this can be accomplished only by manually re-sizing and dragging each individual image, what a drag). Moreover, in Ph+, once tiled (with just two clicks) the images may all be zoomed, and hence panned, simultaneously. Mr. Connor, this product is no improvement over Ph+8: I'll be using my "out-dated" Ph+ for quite a bit longer, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 @JonBowen Your latest post in this thread seems to be two mostly-unrelated pieces of feedback: 1. Extra export formats. 2. Image tiling. If you want the image tiling feedback to be seen by more people, you might want to create a new thread for just that, otherwise it may just get lost in a thread which isn’t related to it. (Search for an existing thread first to see if one exists before making a new one.) P.S. The Publisher Data Merge functionality might help you with the image tiling thing but I’ve not used Photo Plus so I don’t know how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBowen Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Thanks for the suggestion. I have re-submitted the tiling request which I had previously submitted under an old requests thread and have added it now as a new thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_WVGG Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) Astonishing that adding WebP support is in any way controversial. The simple fact is: the web needs a lossy compression standard with support for alpha. PNG is not lossy. JPEG doesn't do alpha. I've been a web developer for over twenty-five years now. I am about as pro-open-standards and anti-FAANG as they come. Of course I would prefer to be using JPEG-2000 or something whose patents have expired (if in fact they even have). I thought this would be a solved problem by 2008. Then I thought it would be solved by 2012. Then… look, it's just not going to happen. Apple gave up and embraced WebP. I don't like the fact that it won, but it did. If Serif disagrees, I guess that's one more reason to seek alternatives. Edited November 29, 2021 by Eric_WVGG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_WVGG Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Basically I can write a picture tag as per: <picture> <source srcset="img/image.webp" type="image/webp"> <source srcset="img/image.jp2" type="image/jp2"> <img src="img/image.png" alt="woof"> </picture> But also it's also just a matter of time until you upgrade. I would wager you're not going to be on Catalina in 2030, and I've been in this business long enough to care about the long game.. Edited November 30, 2021 by Eric_WVGG clarification balqan and Burndog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_WVGG Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) We're not talking about what Monterey offers today (it's great, btw), but what is going to happen over the next eight years. Running Catalina in 2030, at which point it would be eleven years old, would be roughly equivalent to running Snow Leopard today. Like, I dunno, maybe you'll bail on MacOS in favor of Windows or Ubuntu or iOS, maybe MacOS won't exist at all by then. But I'd wager that whatever you do, you'll have a WebP-compatible browser someday. Edited November 30, 2021 by Eric_WVGG left out word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Eric_WVGG said: you'll have a WebP-compatible browser someday. What ever happened to PCX? Hard to be sure that any particular format will ever catch on all that well - and that one actually did, but you never really hear about it today. Even EPS and PostScript itself are slowly dying in favor of PDF. It is not particularly clear that WebP really has caught on just yet (https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/im-webp and https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/image_format); while its use is increasing, it is still only by a small percentage of sampled sites. AVIF seems like the better long-term option between the two; it is supported by several major browsers and its use in various sites is also growing, though slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lloyd Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 On 4/27/2019 at 10:35 AM, Fixx said: Safari does not support JPEG XR or WebP. You should use supported file formats. That's a naive argument. Developers should always advocate for superior solutions. Apple's inability to keep up with standards is a ridiculous reason to not support those standards. Same with Microsoft and Internet Explorer when that was an issue. Website development tools all have failover features, often put in place for browsers failing to keep up with emerging standards. First the capability is provided, demand and support follows. It's always been that way. All Media Lab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medical Officer Bones Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 12/19/2021 at 5:42 AM, LondonSquirrel said: In other words there doesn't seem to be a huge demand for this supposedly better format. Demand has not followed capability. The main issue is that "industry standard" design and animation software still do not support the export of webp. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Luckily the situation is changing: Krita 5 supports both APNG and animated WebP files, as does PhotoLine. Plugins exist for Photoshop to do the same. And WebP is gaining popularity. Simply stated: things are possible with WebP that are not possible with (A)PNG or other file formats or coded solutions that eat up much more bandwidth. This has an impact on the user experience from both the perspective of load times as well as eye-candy, and as such, it is steadfastly growing. As a large web-based business you'd be plain losing money on bandwidth if you keep ignoring webp. @LondonSquirrel You seem to ignore the fact that the uptake of webp grew by 600% in 2021 only, and that it is the most popular image file format now with high traffic sites. I interpret those figures as a NEED to support WebP export rather sooner than later. The context of that 3% tells a very different story in my opinion. And it is not only a useful format for the web: game engines support this format now as well. It is an effective and flexible image file format - the only one that supports a superset of all the other graphic file formats: both lossy and non-lossy, full alpha, animation, EXIF/ICC Profile/XMP support,... Nope, everything indicates that the use of webp will only grow and grow. It is very, very dumb on the part of the Serif devs to keep ignoring webp. I mean, they are behind: animated PNG and WebP support is growing, and Affinity can't even export a static WebP file. All Media Lab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balqan Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 BTW Betamax vs VHS, it was the porn industry that made VHS the winner. I wonder when (not if) they will want to reduce their environmental footprint and move everything to WebP. That will put pressure on Apple to update Safari and might have an impact on Serif too. Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Media Lab Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 @LondonSquirrel https://siteefy.com/how-many-websites-are-there/ While the exact number of websites keeps changing every second, there are well over 1 billion sites on the world wide web (1,179,448,021 according to Netcraft’s October 2021 Web Server Survey compared to 1,197,982,359 in January 2021). So 3% is enough to have a enormous amount of websites using it! We use it in every website we make! And don't forget all web image cloud services use webp and I use it in web applications too. But if you don't want to use it, why do you care to put your energy in posts to show webp is not used?😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Media Lab Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, LondonSquirrel said: But it is apparent that 97% of internet sites, including very big sites, gets by without it. 3% of what that is the question! 3% of 1,179,448,021 websites world wide = 35383440.63 websites using webp Still think that's not much? There are many big sites using it to name a couple of the biggest multi nationals in the world: https://www.unilever.com/ https://www.shell.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndog Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Just because some random large websites don't use webP is no reason to discount the value when you take into consideration the larger Gorilla in this equation which is Google. Efficient websites are given higher ranking in the SERPs due to their working better on the new primary target, mobile devises. WebP is not a small improvement over jpgs and pngs it a HUGH improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndog Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Google and "cats" is not relative to the case. Google images are other peoples images so just because most of the other hacks out there don't understand SEO and how WebP can create better looking images than jpg and equal to png, does not matter. SEO is s highly competitive industry. Having the ability to create high quality images in a smaller file size is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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