Heres Johnny Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Currently if we hold [CTRL] and drag an object, Affinity will drag a copy of that object. Great. Why the need for the exact same behavior with the [ALT] modifier key? It is often in conflict with temporarily overriding snapping. We are forced to move an object a little bit first before being able to press and hold [ALT] to simply override snapping. Otherwise, it creates a duplicate of the selected object. Please fix this. Let [CTRL] stay for duplication, and [ALT] for overriding snapping (if active). Pšenda, AndRo Marian, nodeus and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Personally I like the current implementation. I can begin dragging something and turn off snapping for this one time by holding down the option key. Or I can think, oh I actually need a copy and then hold down the Command (I am on Mac) key and bang, I now have a copy being dragged. I can hold the option key down and begin dragging and have a copy which I want to have snapped to something I can just let go of the option key and my copy now has snapping on. I really don't see a downside to this functionality (once I figured out the options available). Alfred 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heres Johnny Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 Thanks Bruce, I appreciate your answer but I'm struggling to find anything positive about it to be honest. The problem is that you must move the object a little bit and let Affinity snap it to something, and only then you are allowed to hold ALT to override snapping and move the object back to where you want it to be. In my humble opinion you should be able to override snapping right away, and if you want the object to be duplicated you should be able to combine it with another modifier responsible for its own dedicated action - CTRL to copy. That's one thing I actually think Illustrator does better and I really cannot see a good reason for the way Affinity currently does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Select the object, release the mouse, hold the Option key down click and drag. This gives me a copy. Snapping is off for as long as I hold down the option key. for no copying I just select and click drag then hold down the option key, this turns off the snapping and does not copy. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heres Johnny Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 Yes. But if you want to slightly nudge it without snapping, you have to drag it much further only to be allowed to disable snapping with ALT. But seriously, why the need to have the same action assigned to two modifier keys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Heres Johnny said: Currently if we hold [CTRL] and drag an object, Affinity will drag a copy of that object. Great. Why the need for the exact same behavior with the [ALT] modifier key? It is often in conflict with temporarily overriding snapping. We are forced to move an object a little bit first before being able to press and hold [ALT] to simply override snapping. Otherwise, it creates a duplicate of the selected object. Please fix this. Let [CTRL] stay for duplication, and [ALT] for overriding snapping (if active). Hear hear. I made a lot of copies by mistake because of this. I use snapping and [ALT] a lot. nodeus and sfriedberg 2 Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 hours ago, Heres Johnny said: Please fix this. Let [CTRL] stay for duplication, and [ALT] for overriding snapping (if active). Yes, the current behavior is wrong, and contrary to what is stated in the Status bar. Ctrl has ensure duplication of the object, and Alt has only turn off snapping. The fact that when Alt is pressed before selecting the mouse object, and not after selecting when it works properly, is the wrong behavior - Alt has nothing to duplicate the object. Heres Johnny and nodeus 2 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 42 minutes ago, Pšenda said: Alt has nothing to duplicate the object. Blame it on the Mac method of using Option to copy things when dragging with the mouse. Fixx and Pšenda 1 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: Blame it on the Mac method of using Option to copy things when dragging with the mouse. I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in MacOS at all - me and OP are talking about Alt (Windows). Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Pšenda said: I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in MacOS at all - me and OP are talking about Alt (Windows). Given the desired operational consistency between the Mac and Windows versions of the Affinity applications, there will be such effects, and it doesn't really matter whether we Windows users care about it or not. We're affected in any case Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, walt.farrell said: Given the desired operational consistency between the Mac and Windows versions of the Affinity applications, Given the numerous and much more serious inconsistencies between the versions, it would be really strange to pay attention to the consistency of this unnecessary, and even undocumented (see Status bar) function. Rudolphus, Jowday and Andy05 3 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heres Johnny Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, ErrkaPetti said: But, hav’nt we nudge objects directly with the cursor/arrow keys? By a fixed amount. That's the whole purpose of overriding snapping to adjust stuff freely and quickly. GDPR-415734 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Gotta say alt-key is used for duplication in so many softwares that giving it up makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Personally I wish they would cause the "clone" function with the command key (evidently control on the other platform) to create something more like a symbol, leaving the option key feature (your "alt" key) to do what it is doing now. The "clone" would be like a symbol in that its properties would be linked to the one it was cloned from, but would not necessarily show up on the Symbols panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solowing Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 The issue for me is simply that they have two commands that do exactly the same thing, and one of them is undocumented. I don't care whether they make it ctrl or alt, or whatever, but I only need one command. Pick one and update the status bar accordingly. AndRo Marian and Pšenda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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