Intuos5 Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Locked layers can still be manipulated in terms of fill and stroke colour and other stroke properties. I would expect everything to be locked when locking a layer, so I won't accidentally make changes to the object/ layer, which is the whole reason locking layers exists. Steps to reproduce 1. Create a bunch of objects 2. Group them (and promote the group to layers) 3. Lock both the layer and the object 4. Change the fill colour 5. Notice how appearance changes are permitted 2022-11-21 14-27-00.mp4 2022-11-21 14-33-33.mp4 E: You can also continue drawing/ adding objects to locked layers. So there's no real way to actually make sure a layer remains unchanged. Old Bruce, Markio and jAffinitySerif 3 Quote
Ron P. Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 It has been this way since I can recall. According to Serif, the Layer Lock (padlock) only locks the layer from moving or resizing, not from any other changes. It's by design. albertkinng and debraspicher 2 Quote Affinity Photo 2.5..; Affinity Designer 2.5..; Affinity Publisher 2.5..; Affinity2 Beta versions. Affinity Photo,Designer 1.10.6.1605 Win10 Home Version:21H2, Build: 19044.1766: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s);32GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 3070, 3-Internal HDD (1 Crucial MX5000 1TB, 1-Crucial MX5000 500GB, 1-WD 1 TB), 4 External HDD
Old Bruce Posted November 22, 2022 Posted November 22, 2022 I really wish there was some way of locking a layer so I couldn't change anything about it. Markio, 4dimage, Wilgartw and 5 others 7 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Intuos5 Posted November 24, 2022 Author Posted November 24, 2022 It's freaking me out that you can add objects to locked layers. How am I supposed to make sure things don't accidentally end up in the wrong layer? Especially when you need to occasionally make small edits to curves on locked layers, that just makes it so that you can easily end up putting work in the wrong layer... Fred5738, debraspicher and jAffinitySerif 3 Quote
debraspicher Posted November 25, 2022 Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Intuos5 said: It's freaking me out that you can add objects to locked layers. How am I supposed to make sure things don't accidentally end up in the wrong layer? Especially when you need to occasionally make small edits to curves on locked layers, that just makes it so that you can easily end up putting work in the wrong layer... Oh that does drive me mad. This also happens with hidden layers. Especially when you're brushing, it can end up overriding what's on your Pixel Layer, you'd never know you drew over something important... making file revisions a necessity. Though I do this in practice, still... what if I happen to forget 🤡☠️ 22.11.24_06-05-07-PM_NV12_1920x1080.mp4 jAffinitySerif 1 Quote
ashf Posted November 25, 2022 Posted November 25, 2022 It has been like that since the beginning. I would like to have the real locking feature. But this is by design and not a bug according to Serif. Quote
Intuos5 Posted November 25, 2022 Author Posted November 25, 2022 If the design only accounts for locking objects in space, what's the benefit? I might as well select all objects on a layer and lock them. Then what's the actual benefit of locking layers this way? It only leads to confusion as all other software actually lock layers from editing. There's no way to prevent any changes from happening. jAffinitySerif 1 Quote
affinian Posted November 25, 2022 Posted November 25, 2022 On the functional (requirements) side this would be "easy" to improve. Rename the current locking mechanism to "Soft Lock" and add a second "Hard Lock" which makes the layer (all its contents and relevant meta data) "view only". Quote
Guest Posted November 25, 2022 Posted November 25, 2022 This 'by design feature' has driven me mad from the very start. I would LOVE to know what the use-case is for this, and why this design is preferable to the standard lock behaviour the majority of users know from pretty much any other application. There are a number of questionable design decisions such as this, and the refusal to adopt an eye icon for layer visibility (even though that icon is used is used for 'symmetry' on the iPad?!) that have plagued the Affinity apps from the start. Much of this feels like a chronic case of 'not invented here' (ie: rolling their own text engine rather than adopting the widely used Harfbuzz text shaping engine), combined with 'meaningless differentiation' (layers, artboards, colour management, etc.) from Serif management. I'm all for going against conventions, but please, pick your battles. Quote
debraspicher Posted November 25, 2022 Posted November 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said: This 'by design feature' has driven me mad from the very start. I would LOVE to know what the use-case is for this, and why this design is preferable to the standard lock behaviour the majority of users know from pretty much any other application. There are a number of questionable design decisions such as this, and the refusal to adopt an eye icon for layer visibility (even though that icon is used is used for 'symmetry' on the iPad?!) that have plagued the Affinity apps from the start. Much of this feels like a chronic case of 'not invented here' combined with 'meaningless differentiation' within Serif management. My concern is if they ever add an actual lock feature, what that icon is going to be... double locked maybe? 😂 Edit: BTW, the dots for visibility makes more sense with the busy-ness of the new Layer's panel, so they might've thought "oh this is one area we could simplify... because it's a dot who wouldn't want to click it and find out what it does" 4dimage 1 Quote
Ron P. Posted November 26, 2022 Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 9:08 AM, debraspicher said: My concern is if they ever add an actual lock feature, what that icon is going to be... double locked maybe? Maybe a Combination Dial Lock, like a safe has? Quote Affinity Photo 2.5..; Affinity Designer 2.5..; Affinity Publisher 2.5..; Affinity2 Beta versions. Affinity Photo,Designer 1.10.6.1605 Win10 Home Version:21H2, Build: 19044.1766: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s);32GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 3070, 3-Internal HDD (1 Crucial MX5000 1TB, 1-Crucial MX5000 500GB, 1-WD 1 TB), 4 External HDD
walt.farrell Posted November 26, 2022 Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Ron P. said: Maybe a Combination Dial Lock, like a safe has? I am tempted to suggest that they could implement actual combinations for these locks, so you could share your file with a coworker and make sure they couldn't change some portions of it. But I won't. Ron P. and debraspicher 2 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Intuos5 Posted November 26, 2022 Author Posted November 26, 2022 Oh yes, a 4 number combination that differs per layer, so you won't accidentally unlock it, right? Like a real safe, not some silly padlock. 🤣 Quote
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