Brush pack causes extrem Lag

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

Hi,

1. I am using the latest version of Designer and Photo

2. I can reproduce my problem ( in Designer and Photo)

3. It happens on new documents as well as on older documents.

My issue:

I bought and downloaded a brush pack for Affinity Designer and Photo from Frankentoon studio. Compatibility is Affinity 1.8+ . When I am trying to Paint with it in (Designer persona or Photo)  it lags extremely. Means, I am done with the stroke for exampel doing a zig zag line, but the stroke it self still moves to paint and is not finished with the zig zag line. I tried to change the hardness, and brush size. Both did not work. I did not change any other settings.

My system (it is in german, but I can translate if you want to) :

 

[walt.farrell]

Which brush pack has the problem?

Is it a specific brush, or all of them?

What brush size are you using, and what are the pixel dimensions of your document?

In the application's Preferences, Performance, do you have Hardware Acceleration (OpenCL) enabled? If yes, try disabling it and see if that resolves the issue.

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

2 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Which brush pack has the problem?

Is it a specific brush, or all of them?

What brush size are you using, and what are the pixel dimensions of your document?

In the application's Preferences, Performance, do you have Hardware Acceleration (OpenCL) enabled? If yes, try disabling it and see if that resolves the issue.

Hi, thx for the quick reply.

The whole Brush pack shows this problem. Standart brush size is 90 px but it happens even with lower size like 28 px. My Document has the size DINA4 it should be around 2480 x 3500 pixels.

OpenCL is disabled.

[walt.farrell]

And which brush pack is it?

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

It is the Placard Brush pack for Affinity, from the Frankentoon Studio page.

[StuartRc]

I am surprised you are having issues with Frankentoon Studio Brushes!

One thing you could try is checking the spacing of the nozzles..increase it slightly to see if it has an effect...Sometimes low values can cause a lag
Also try some other free packs to see if your results are the same

[walt.farrell]

I've downloaded/installed that pack in Affinity Photo Beta, and I don't see any lag when I use the brushes.

I think it might be best for you to click on the Contact Us link on the FrankentoonStudio web page and discuss this directly with them. They would know if anyone else has reported a similar issue.

 

[walt.farrell]

You might also try the beta, which has some performance improvements, and see if that helps. You'll find it in a pinned topic at the top of the Photo Beta on Windows forum.

[carl123]

I don't know if your system supports it or if it already disabled but try switching off...

Hardware Acceleration in...

Edit > Preferences > Performance

It's been causing a few weird problems on certain PC configurations

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

1 hour ago, StuartRc said:

I am surprised you are having issues with Frankentoon Studio Brushes!

One thing you could try is checking the spacing of the nozzles..increase it slightly to see if it has an effect...Sometimes low values can cause a lag
Also try some other free packs to see if your results are the same

Thanks! this actually helped ( a little). It is not a perfect solution, as there is a little lag sometimes. But the more I increase the spacing the more fluent it becomes. But tbh this is not a perfect solution. The strokes look are changing. One of the Brushes totally loses its strokes looking. And it only works with smaller brush sizes. So if I use a standart copy sheet size, I must not use a bigger brush size than 80 px (depending on the brush) to avoid lags. But I guess for now this works out for me, untill I find another solution.

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

I've downloaded/installed that pack in Affinity Photo Beta, and I don't see any lag when I use the brushes.

I think it might be best for you to click on the Contact Us link on the FrankentoonStudio web page and discuss this directly with them. They would know if anyone else has reported a similar issue.

 

Maybe I will check the beta. Normally, I am never using any beta of softwares or games lol. I am going to contact the Frankentoon team, totally forgot about that option.

59 minutes ago, carl123 said:

I don't know if your system supports it or if it already disabled but try switching off...

Hardware Acceleration in...

Edit > Preferences > Performance

It's been causing a few weird problems on certain PC configurations

Yes, I already switched off the Hardware acceleration. I usually use affinity always without this setting.

 

 

Thanks so far for your help !

[Komatös]

@SpaceShark_Olaf do you use a graphics tablet?

Do you mean the trailing of the brush stroke by lag? 
I have that too, but only when I work with the graphics tablet. But it is not due to a particular brush. 

 

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

17 hours ago, Komatös said:

@SpaceShark_Olaf do you use a graphics tablet?

Do you mean the trailing of the brush stroke by lag? 
I have that too, but only when I work with the graphics tablet. But it is not due to a particular brush. 

 

Yes, that is what I meant. I do use a Graphics tablet, but the problem occurs with tablet and with mouse. Yesterday I contacted Frankentoons and the replied that it is not a common problem.

[Komatös]

However, brushes and brush strokes are only asynchronous if you quickly drag the pen across the tablet work surface. Or with the mouse.
Or is the asynchrony with you also with low movement speed?

[StuartRc]

Spacing will affect the nature of the brush unfortunately but also speed up the response.

I had a look through some of my brushes to see if there is a similar set that you could try.... just to see what results you get..

1. Ammonite
2. Camouflage

hope it helps!

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

57 minutes ago, Komatös said:

However, brushes and brush strokes are only asynchronous if you quickly drag the pen across the tablet work surface. Or with the mouse.
Or is the asynchrony with you also with low movement speed?

Indeed, it is just with quick and long strokes. Slow, detailed and short strokes are no problem. But sometimes i need to fill large areas, so i am working more fast on these areas.

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

1 minute ago, StuartRc said:

Spacing will affect the nature of the brush unfortunately but also speed up the response.

I had a look through some of my brushes to see if there is a similar set that you could try.... just to see what results you get..

1. Ammonite
2. Camouflage

hope it helps!

thx a lot I will definetly try them

[Chris B]

@SpaceShark_Olaf it looks like you are also running your monitor at 50hz. Are you able to change this to 60hz?

I use a 240hz monitor and just dropped down to 50hz and noticed a lag so it's worth a shot. I'm not sure how much you would notice between 50 and 60 but for me it was considerably noticable. 

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

On 6/3/2021 at 11:13 AM, Chris B said:

@SpaceShark_Olaf it looks like you are also running your monitor at 50hz. Are you able to change this to 60hz?

I use a 240hz monitor and just dropped down to 50hz and noticed a lag so it's worth a shot. I'm not sure how much you would notice between 50 and 60 but for me it was considerably noticable. 

Hi,

I tried 60 hz. Did not help.

 I guess my computer just sucks :,D

[Chris B]

Do you have a discrete graphics card installed or are you just relying on the Intel 620? Perhaps this is the issue.

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

7 hours ago, Chris B said:

Do you have a discrete graphics card installed or are you just relying on the Intel 620? Perhaps this is the issue.

Only the Intel 620. That was my thought too.

[Chris B]

If you get a second, can you try and do a screen recording so we can see how bad it is?

Do other texture-heavy brushes work fine? 

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

17 hours ago, Chris B said:

If you get a second, can you try and do a screen recording so we can see how bad it is?

Do other texture-heavy brushes work fine? 

Hey,

sure ! But you need to explain me how, I have no idea how I could do a recording😅

[Komatös]

You can do it with OBS Studio.

https://obsproject.com

[walt.farrell]

5 hours ago, SpaceShark_Olaf said:

I have no idea how I could do a recording

Or, from the FAQ:

 

[SpaceShark_Olaf]

So this is a recording with the Plancard Brush set. Here you can see the lag.

I noticed something different with another brush, not sure if there is a connection, like my system? In the second video I use the Ink Brush. And as you can see it is very pixelated and not as smooth as in Photoshop.