eluengo Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Designer and Publisher (apparently not Photo) launches slowly since MacOS Big Sur 11.1 (i.e. 45 dock icon bumps) in its first launch after Mac reset or after a while closed (versus 4 icon bumps when recently launched). Why?, is it normal?, is OS guilty or the app?, Apple Silicon Macs will solve it? Emilio GeGr and KJW 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Sean P Posted January 12, 2021 Staff Share Posted January 12, 2021 Hi Emilio, This is something we're aware of and is being investigated by the developers. It isn't related to Silicon Macs (as my intel Mac gets it). I will pass your comments over though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eluengo Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 11:55 AM, Sean P said: Hi Emilio, This is something we're aware of and is being investigated by the developers. It isn't related to Silicon Macs (as my intel Mac gets it). I will pass your comments over though. Thnx Sean !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eluengo Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 Very curious.... In my MBPro with i7 and a lot of RAM and disk the SLOW apps launch occurs, but NOT in an old MBAir with only a i3 and half RAM and half disk.... why is it so???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eluengo Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 Version 1.9 (not beta) has the same slow-launch problem: all the apps: Photo, Designer, Publisher (from both Affinity Store, and from the Apple Store) 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_No Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I've had the 'slow launch' problem with every one of my Affinity apps since purchasing when it was still in the 1.8.x developmental stage. It is the single most aggravating aspect of using these otherwise terrific wares. I'd love to see the 'slow launch' problem corrected in all three wares. As an aside, I just today upgraded all three to 1.9. I have not yet attempted to use Designer & Publisher since upgrading about an hour ago. When Affinity crosses the line to V.2, will its wares still be compatible with macOS 'Sierra' or will it be 'High Sierra' and beyond? If 'HighSierra' and beyond, I will no longer be able to use any of its products. Why? Because to upgrade my Mac beyond 'Sierra' will cause the new OS to break my 32-bit apps that I still use on a regular basis. 'Sierra' is the end of the line for me, and I'm not keen on expending mucho cashola on the 'Silicon' Macs with ARM, so this 1.9 upgrade will (unless the next is 1.9.5) likely be my last shot at continuing to use Affinity's wares. Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eluengo Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 In my case, the slow-launch problem occurs only after upgrading macOS to 11.1, and only in one of my Macs, unfortunately in the most used and most powerful. It occurs with 1.8.x and with the new 1.9. Neither with older macOSes, nor with less powerful Macs this awsome problem happens. I'm now thinking the problem could be the system configuration, not only the app.configuration. I wait for my new MacM1 to see if there also occurs, and also have time and a new Mac to erase completely my slow-launching-Mac, and reinstalling all to see if this can be te problem (the jump from 11.0 to 11.1 macOS version was full of problems, even with lost information in iCloud!) Is an annoying problem, but is really not a severe one, since it only happens the first launch on an app after reset/restart, or after a long inactivity period. Apparently AFFINITY is aware of the problem, it will have a solution, even when after a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eluengo Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Hi My brand new M1 Mac has ALSO the slow-launching problem with the 3 apps.... only it's no so severe: instead of more than 40 icon bounces, now is only 18 to 20 bounces. But it continues to happen every time I reset or start the Mac. It is probably more due to Big Sur problems, since this behavihor started when updating to OS 11.01 or 11.1 .... Emilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tantramar Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) Been seeing this here, too, on an M1 MacBook Air (16 GB RAM). Got this machine in November, so it’s coming up on 5 months since this was brought up — any news from Affinity? This launch delay is really noticeable. Literally nothing else I’m running does this. Affinity Publisher (direct-download, non-App Store version): 20 dock bounces before the app launched (after fresh OS reboot). Affinity Photo (Mac App Store): 21 bounces. Affinity Designer (Mac App Store): 22 bounces. Edited April 11, 2021 by tantramar added more detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project_2501 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Can Affinity tell us what the cause of these slow apps is? ive had the slow startup issue across all Affinity Apps for a while including this week's 1.9.2 update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Patrick Connor Posted April 12, 2021 Staff Share Posted April 12, 2021 16 hours ago, tariq said: Can Affinity tell us what the cause of these slow apps is? We believe it is that our mac application having a JIT (just in time) runtime flag, and the operating system not remembering that the application is safe has not changed since the last time it checked the security of our installation. Unfortunately when we do not have that JIT flag set the process we use for the Welcome screen and other browser based UI in the application can crash on certain operating systems. Apple are aware of the issue and we are still working on a solution that neither takes too long to run up nor crashes using the browsing features. Also please do not post in multiple threads on a topic, it is simply not helpful. tantramar 1 Quote Patrick Connor Serif Europe Ltd Latest V2 releases on each platform Help make our apps better by joining our beta program! "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man. True nobility lies in being superior to your previous self." W. L. Sheldon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertkinng Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Barely can work with Photo today! beach ball with a copy and paste pic of 300dpi 7" by 7" SERIOUSLY? Quote See my comics: dearmascomics.com Heard my Radio Show: mimegaradio.com Ask for my services: albertkinng.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMinSoCAL Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Two months since last update from Affinity. Any new news? This slow launching of Affinity apps has been 8+ months and no clue how to fix it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrinningShark Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I am curious also… about any updates. Any new news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianhg Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just downloaded update 1.10, app purchased via Apple store still takes a long time to start initially -- bounces about 30times. The app purchased direct Affinity Publisher opens quickly 3 bounces. All apps updated to 1.10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMinSoCAL Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, ianhg said: Just downloaded update 1.10, app purchased via Apple store still takes a long time to start initially -- bounces about 30times. The app purchased direct Affinity Publisher opens quickly 3 bounces. All apps updated to 1.10. I recall that to be the case in the beginning -- direct app worked normally. Then, after a while, people started reporting delays at launch also. So, enjoy the normal operation while it lasts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, ianhg said: Just downloaded update 1.10, app purchased via Apple store still takes a long time to start initially -- bounces about 30times. The app purchased direct Affinity Publisher opens quickly 3 bounces. All apps updated to 1.10. The issue that causes slow launching of the Affinity applications on some Mac releases has not been fixed yet. Work is required from, probably, both Apple and Serif. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Jan Drijfhout Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Had some hope that under Monterey this issue would have been solved, but idle hope. Still just as bad as it was. With Serif not able to solve a crucial software fix in over a year really places question marks over either the company’s development skills or priority settings. My advice to management would be: double the price (still cheap) and hire some people to fix things. Changed back to Photoshop beginning this year, and it has served me well, so planning to stay. Still not a big fan of Adobe as a company, but in PS they do have a fantastic product that is a joy to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMinSoCAL Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Willem Jan Drijfhout said: Had some hope that under Monterey this issue would have been solved, but idle hope. Still just as bad as it was. With Serif not able to solve a crucial software fix in over a year really places question marks over either the company’s development skills or priority settings. My advice to management would be: double the price (still cheap) and hire some people to fix things. Changed back to Photoshop beginning this year, and it has served me well, so planning to stay. Still not a big fan of Adobe as a company, but in PS they do have a fantastic product that is a joy to use. I'm pretty sure they don't care. It was, what -- April of this year when we last heard from them on this topic when we were told they were working on a solution? They blame it on Apple because they use a browser UI for the splash screen (you can't develop a native splash screen graphic in like a day?) and some other elements in the app? Does no other software company use browser UI or does Apple have it out for Affinity apps and are purposefully targeting them with slow as mud startup? It's been over a year now since this issue and nothing has changed. Probably never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianhg Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, DEMinSoCAL said: I'm pretty sure they don't care. It was, what -- April of this year when we last heard from them on this topic when we were told they were working on a solution? They blame it on Apple because they use a browser UI for the splash screen (you can't develop a native splash screen graphic in like a day?) and some other elements in the app? Does no other software company use browser UI or does Apple have it out for Affinity apps and are purposefully targeting them with slow as mud startup? It's been over a year now since this issue and nothing has changed. Probably never will. Its true its frustrating .. but give them a break just look at the price of the apps and the steady improvements. Once the apps open once they are speedy enough and I dont have the M1 chip yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMinSoCAL Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, ianhg said: Its true its frustrating .. but give them a break just look at the price of the apps and the steady improvements. Once the apps open once they are speedy enough and I dont have the M1 chip yet. Please don't confuse my attitude about their (in)ability to fix a problem they said they would (but haven't), with the quality and value of the the product. I still recommend the product to friends and hope someday they become the "Adobe killer". They certainly do not deserve "a break" on fixing an issue (or at least coming clean with the fact that they probably never will) that only their software has yet being blamed on Apple. FWIW, I would 100% excuse them if they said they've taken development resources away from fixing the startup issue to concentrate on throwing together an Acrobat clone that sells for $50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivergrosche Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 the problem with slow app starting on m1 macs seems to be related to the systems ocsp certificate check.https://ravicpoon.medium.com/if-bigsur-is-slowing-down-your-mac-32d9fd4d5a5b when turning off internet, the apps start speedy. unfortunately i havent figured out a workaround yet. blocking the ocsp servers in etc/hosts doesnt do the trick. blocking the ocsp and trustd-processes via little snitch also not. can somebody comfirm this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooshPastesh Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 My test after Macbook restart (MBA M1, 7 core, 8gb): With internet connection, four "bounces" of icon, then splash and after less than second, main window appears. Without internet connection, three "bounces" of icon, rest the same. I've tested it few times. Always the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMinSoCAL Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, DooshPastesh said: My test after Macbook restart (MBA M1, 7 core, 8gb): With internet connection, four "bounces" of icon, then splash and after less than second, main window appears. Without internet connection, three "bounces" of icon, rest the same. I've tested it few times. Always the same time. It seems that may be the case for a few days, then BOOM! Bounce-hell. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivergrosche Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 after setting 0.0.0.0 ocsp2.apple.com 0.0.0.0 ocsp.apple.com in the etc/hosts it´s seems to be ok now... sorry, it wasnt that. actually i completely disabled sip with csrutil disable. that is speeding up everything. also wine-apps... 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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