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I'm laying out a design that will be printed on transparent media, with some elements being solid white. Thus I want the background in the UI to be grey, so I can see what I'm doing.

I can't find any way to do this. The artboard background grey level doesn't appear to do anything. I did find "transparent background" in Document Setup, which helps a bit.

Thanks for any insight.

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If you are in Photo I would just add a fill layer and place it at the bottom of the layers and pick any grey that will work for you. If you are in Designer I would put a rectangle at the bottom of the layers and fill it with a grey as well. You can lock either of these so you don't move or select them. Just turn off those layers before exporting or printing the final files.

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3 hours ago, Stokestack said:

I'm laying out a design that will be printed on transparent media, with some elements being solid white. Thus I want the background in the UI to be grey, so I can see what I'm doing.

I can't find any way to do this. The artboard background grey level doesn't appear to do anything. I did find "transparent background" in Document Setup, which helps a bit.

Thanks for any insight.

You realise of course, that if you design it with solid white elements that are supposed to print, it's no good designing them in white ? White is paper colour, so it will print transparent.

Transparent ink on transparent media is going to be, er, subtle ;)

If you are designing for silk screen printing and using solid spot colours, there no need to use white for white. You could use bright pink for the colour as long as you tell the print shop to use white ink. Bright pink is easy to see, or am I missing something ?

 

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2 hours ago, toltec said:

You realise of course, that if you design it with solid white elements that are supposed to print, it's no good designing them in white ? White is paper colour, so it will print transparent.

I said I was designing something for transparent media. It's a piece of clear plastic. So yes, I am designing elements in white, because that's exactly what I want.

If I create a new document, I get a page with white background and no apparent way to change it. That's lame.

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4 minutes ago, Stokestack said:

I said I was designing something for transparent media. So yes, I am designing elements in white, because that's exactly what I want.

So how will you print the white ?


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If you use AD you could make a global spot colour as white and draw a background box filled with any colour you want to indicate the plastic. Before exporting to PDF hide the background and when exporting make sure "Honour spot colours" is ticked. The white should then separate okay - it looks okay in Output Preview.


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Thanks. Yes, of course I can create a background layer with a color; but that's pretty lame because you have to hide it before exporting. Usually you can specify a color for the background medium; colored paper, for example.

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Create a rectangular shape with the dimensions of your design
Give it a stroke color and no fill color
Design your design within this shape
Group this transparent shape with your design and set the stroke to transparent.

Select only this group and export to  pdf with "selection without background" option selected

Or set document bg to transparent > export whole document to pdf/x-4 (this supports transparency)

 


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1 hour ago, Stokestack said:

It is not baffling, especially now I can see it but as I asked before, how are you going to set the white ink ? That is by far the most important question.

The white must be printed, unlike on paper which is already white.

So you need to set the white as a spot colour, along with the orange as a spot colour. Which brings me back to what I said before. If you are printing the white as a spot colour you can design it in pink or purple to make designing easier. It wont matter until the printer actually slaps the ink on, all plates (like paint brushes) are black until you put ink on them.

43 minutes ago, Stokestack said:

but that's pretty lame because you have to hide it before exporting.

It't not lame because you are printing in spot colours, you are just using pink (my favourite ;)) as a design aid although you could use a coloured background.

This would be a bit easier in Designer because you could set the white as a global colour, design in pink then change it in one click (maybe two) if you felt the need and that would update every instance of white used in the document..

Which of the following is easier to see when you design ?

white.jpg.16ccb9408a3ade7eaaba034c3ea3a005.jpg

This has the white in white.

pink.jpg.653f6f0d5c69c18ffa852d1c8406ca1a.jpg

This has the white in pink :S

 

Yet when I output as three spot colours, the result is exactly the same.

491810375_orangescreen.jpg.38132e6d662a65f04f257b6fd35a55bc.jpg

Orange ink

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White ink

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Black ink.

Note. I designed and printer literally hundreds of things like this. (Former printer !)


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Like stated by other users here above;

Create a big shape or fill layer with your preferred color 
And then select only your designgroup to export whithout background


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2 hours ago, Stokestack said:

Yes, of course I can create a background layer with a color; but that's pretty lame because you have to hide it before exporting.

It is just one extra click in the Layers panel to hide it. Call me crazy, but I do not think that qualifies as "pretty lame."

Also keep in mind that you could fill the layer with a bitmapped image or use a photo to simulate how the design would look if viewed in front of various things, or use several of them at the bottom of the Layers stack & turn on & off various ones during the design phase. Unless the design is intended to be viewed only in front of a single thing or projected onto only one specific kind of surface, this seems to me to be not at all lame, & instead a useful feature you could exploit.


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Thanks all for the suggestions.

Obviously I can draw colored rectangles behind the artwork or use temporary colors. The temporary-colors idea is just not acceptable to me for creating a color scheme in a piece of work.

Anyway... I might, for example, be printing on off-white paper. Why can't I set the background to simulate that? It's a simple request and a feature that's available in other applications. Corel Draw has it, and Illustrator apparently (but half-assedly) offers a few background grey levels (based on threads about the issue).

17 hours ago, R C-R said:

Also keep in mind that you could fill the layer with a bitmapped image or use a photo to simulate how the design would look if viewed in front of various things, or use several of them at the bottom of the Layers stack & turn on & off various ones during the design phase. Unless the design is intended to be viewed only in front of a single thing or projected onto only one specific kind of surface, this seems to me to be not at all lame, & instead a useful feature you could exploit.

A valid point and indeed I have done just that. But during most of the design phase, I'd prefer to simply have some neutral color in the background.

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