Advanced Page Management: Page Migration Improvements

[arshrao]

I believe there is a strong case for this option to be disabled by default, as this wasn’t the default behavior in v2.5.5 and earlier versions, and it could potentially cause some confusion...

[Hangman]

50 minutes ago, anto said:

If you copy spreads, the function Anchor Towards Spine does not affect anything. Somehow it doesn't work that way.
Why aren't objects mirrored for spreads?

They are, if you're copying spreads then the left and right sides of the spread for the copied pages remain the same as the source pages so again you are seeing the expected behaviour...

[anto]

If all objects on the page are grouped, the page is copied correctly.

[Hangman]

4 minutes ago, anto said:

If all objects on the page are grouped, the page is copied correctly.

That's correct but the Group is still Anchored Towards the Spine as shown by the Group's position on the page...

[anto]

Is this a copy of the page? It's a chaotic displacement of objects

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, joe_l said:

I don't know if this was asked before: E.g. three attached pages in a row of width 210 + 7 + 210 mm. It would be nice to have fold marks for the 7 mm page. Of course I could set them manually, but it would save some time. From time to time I would need this feature.

This has been raised and I agree... Ideally, the inclusion of a slug area and the addition of fold marks in the Printers Marks section on export would be great...

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, anto said:

Is this a copy of the page? It's a chaotic displacement of objects

All the objects are simply Anchored Towards the Spine, if you want an exact copy of the page then you need to turn Anchor Toward Spine off before copying or moving the page... I think we both agree that this option should be off by default...

[anto]

In which cases the function Anchor Toward Spine is needed? 

[Patrick Connor]

Just now, anto said:

In which cases the function Anchor Toward Spine is needed? 

Yes, even if you don't want it. Reading this is so frustrating!

[anto]

Just now, Patrick Connor said:

Yes, even if you don't want it. Reading this is so frustrating!

It's also frustrating to test it when it's enabled by default and breaks the whole design.

So what is it for? Give me some examples, maybe I'll need it.

[Patrick Connor]

It's like using "move/copy contents" with an option that says "translate to French on move/copy" and you saying "but I don't speak French, why would anyone want French?".

It is useful for symmetrical designed books (think of a Bible with notes in the margins, you always want notes on the same position in relation to the spine. How have you not understood that yet? Hangman has been so patient. Your example with artistic text on a curve is not the sort of page you would use this option on.

[anto]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Connor said:

It's like a option for "move/copy contents" with an option that says "translate to French on move/copy" and you saying "but I don't speak French, why would anyone want French?".

It is useful for symmetrical designed books (think of a Bible with notes in the margins, you always want notes on the same position in relation to the spine. How have you not understood that yet? Hangman has been so patient. Your example with artistic text on a curve is not the sort of page you would use this option on.

In previous beta versions, for each new feature there was a description of how it works. In this beta version, many new features don't have this. Specifically, the copy/move function was written in one line and not a single word about what parameters it works with and what the consequences might be. This is an oversight, I think.

[Mark Daniel]

56 minutes ago, anto said:

So what is it for? Give me some examples, maybe I'll need it.

I see a lot of documents that look something like this

Whilst I would advise to try and avoid adding a single page sometimes you have to and to my mind Anchor Toward Spine has done a much better job of making pages that just need a bit of tweaking.

 

[anto]

3 minutes ago, Mark Daniel said:

I see a lot of documents that look something like this

Whilst I would advise to try and avoid adding a single page sometimes you have to and to my mind Anchor Toward Spine has done a much better job of making pages that just need a bit of tweaking.

 

Thank you, that's much better and clearer.

[bbrother]

What I noticed in this discussion about `Anchor Toward Spine` is that:

• It would be worth considering disabling `Anchor Toward Spine` by default or allow user to do so, so that the behavior is more in line with what it was before, which I agree with.
• It would be good, @Patrick Connor to remember that users quickly adopt behaviors and develop habits, and when possible, develop features so that those habits don't have to be adjusted too often. And if there is no way, then explain, explain, explain exactly what, how, why, and what result and why the behavior is changing.

[Patrick Connor]

10 minutes ago, bbrother said:

It would be worth considering disabling `Anchor Toward Spine` by default or allow user to do so, so that the behavior is more in line with what it was before, which I agree with.

to some extent I think it is worth deliberately exposing new functionality like this to beta testers in order to more thoroughly soak test the change. Beta testers can tend to push things to their limits, but by having a change too hidden I think it may be completely overlooked. In other words I am not against the default being different for release, but I personally appreciate the extra testing that something like this gets by being default on in the beta.

[anto]

1 hour ago, Mark Daniel said:

Whilst I would advise to try and avoid adding a single page sometimes you have to and to my mind Anchor Toward Spine has done a much better job of making pages that just need a bit of tweaking.

If I have a page master with vertical stripes on the sides, then when I add the first page, the design breaks. In what cases can this be used? Without a master page?

 

[bbrother]

36 minutes ago, Patrick Connor said:

I am not against the default being different for release, but I personally appreciate the extra testing that something like this gets by being default on in the beta.

I'm glad you don't close yourself off to other possibilities when it comes to choosing "on" or "off" by default.👍

[Mark Daniel]

8 minutes ago, anto said:

If I have a page master with vertical stripes on the sides, then when I add the first page, the design breaks. In what cases can this be used? Without a master page?

Which Master Migration option have you got set? Looks it might be 'Split Masters'? Try 'Move Master Content' 

Mark

[anto]

2 minutes ago, Mark Daniel said:

Which Master Migration option have you got set? Looks it might be 'Split Masters'? Try 'Move Master Content' 

 

The same thing.

 

 

[Mark Daniel]

I think you're going to have to send me the file. It works fine here with my test file.

Example.afpub

Mark

[Mark Daniel]

Oh, I've just realised what it is - You have single page masters so they just get moved onto the 'wrong' side with the bars on them. Try with a facing page master.

[anto]

Perhaps the problem is that you have a page spread as a master page, but I have separate pages and this does not work for separate pages.

[anto]

5 minutes ago, Mark Daniel said:

Oh, I've just realised what it is - You have single page masters so they just get moved onto the 'wrong' side with the bars on them. Try with a facing page master.

It works with spread master and Move Master Content

[Patrick Connor]

3 hours ago, anto said:

and not a single word about what parameters it works with and what the consequences might be

<Mod Edit> Your post was originally made in a different thread but has now been moved to the thread where Anchor Towards Spine" is described, so the rest of this post is now superfluous. If you wish to hide your post I can hide my response</Mod Edit>

See here for the reflow/page migration option "Anchor Towards Spine" specifically

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Anchor toward spine

When a page element moves from one side of the spine to the other (either a page object or a master object that is being moved via Move Master Content) controls whether it maintains its absolute position on the page or its distance from the spine.

If your margins are symmetrical about the spine but different for inner and outer, ‘Anchor toward spine’ is more likely to keep things glued to the margins. However, objects aligned to an outer page edge may unexpectedly move to align to the opposite edge. This can be avoided by pinning the object.