Fill Tool renamed to Gradient Tool? (Designer, Publisher)

[walt.farrell]

I was surprised to discover this morning that the Fill Tool in Designer and Publisher has been renamed to the Gradient Tool, presumably to match Photo. It seems to be intentional, as it's also in the Help files.

Did I miss an announcement of that change somewhere?

[Affinity-Inspiration]

Excellent. I was hoping for that to happen.

[lepr]

So now all the apps have the poorer name - Gradient Tool. The tool creates/adjusts solid and bitmap types of fill in addition to gradients. Fill Tool is the more appropriate name.

 

[lepr]

5 minutes ago, anto said:

Gradient is a more general concept that can include a simple fill.

No, fill is a more general concept that can include gradient

[lepr]

14 minutes ago, anto said:

"fill" is a broader term that encompasses various methods of adding color, patterns, textures, or other visual content to a specific area, shape, or object. This can include solid colors, patterns, textures, and yes, gradients.

Gradient is a type of fill, but not all fills are gradients. Gradients are a specific technique used within the context of filling objects or areas with color or visual content.

That is exactly why I said the tool should be named Fill Tool instead of Gradient Tool, but you disagreed! Now you are agreeing, whether you realise it or not.

These forums are like the Twilight Zone sometimes

[Westerwälder]

Bei mir steht da Vektorbereich füllen unter Win 10 Beta 2.2.0.1971

Mine says fill vector area

[lepr]

1 minute ago, Westerwälder said:

Mine says fill vector area

wrong tool

we're talking about the one above that in your screenshot

[Westerwälder]

17 minutes ago, lepr said:

falsches Werkzeug

Wir reden hier von dem oben in Ihrem Screenshot

Wo soll das sein ich finde nur Füllwerkzeug

Where is that supposed to be, I only find fill tool

[lepr]

I'm visiting a shrink tomorrow. This thread is so surreal it must be a halucination.

[lepr]

4 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said:

I stumbled on this thread by accident, but if this is accurate then sadly my confidence in Serif continues to decline. 

Sadly, the report of the change is accurate for the 2.2.0.1971 betas on Mac.

[walt.farrell]

38 minutes ago, Westerwälder said:

Where is that supposed to be, I only find fill tool

What Tooltip do you have for this tool:

And what release of the Beta do you have? You can see the complete version/release number (including the build number) in the Account dialog.

[Westerwälder]

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Welchen Tooltip haben Sie für dieses Tool:

Und welche Version der Beta haben Sie? Sie können die vollständige Versions-/Releasenummer (einschließlich der Build-Nummer) im Kontodialog sehen.

Bei mir steht da Werkzeug für Verläufe

For me it says tool for gradients

[walt.farrell]

47 minutes ago, Westerwälder said:

For me it says tool for gradients

Thanks. And yes, that change is what this topic is discussing.

[Westerwälder]

7 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Danke. Und ja, um diese Veränderung geht es in diesem Thema.

So oder Ähnlich war es schon immer benannt und wurde auch immer von mir so benutzt. Füllungen mit einer Farbe wurden mit dem Farbeimer oder der Schaltfläche Füllungen hergestellt bei mir!

It's always been named something like this and I've always used it that way. Single color fills were made with the paint bucket or the Fills button on me!

 

[walt.farrell]

57 minutes ago, Westerwälder said:

It's always been named something like this

It's always been named Gradient Tool in Photo, and with identical function it's been named Fill Tool in Designer and Publisher. 

Now, with apparently no announcement, it's Gradient Tool in all three applications.

[walt.farrell]

6 hours ago, anto said:

For comparison, VectorStyler. Logical and all in one place.
Why can't you do this in Affinity?

That would probably be better as a separate feature request in the Feedback forum. This discussion is just about the name of the tool, not how it functions. 

[walt.farrell]

44 minutes ago, anto said:

When it was called Fill Tool, it was more or less logical to see the Solid and Bitmap options there, but now it's a little strange.

Then it's always been a little strange in Photo, I think  

[PaulEC]

IMHO having a Gradient with a Solid Fill seems to make little sense, (a gradient basically meaning one thing blending into another!) whilst having a Fill using a Gradient seems much more logical!

Obviously it is better to use the same name for the same tool in all three apps, but calling a solid (or bitmap) fill a "gradient" makes about as much sense as calling it "Fred" - Quite simply it is wrong!

[HCl]

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[lepr]

1 hour ago, Return said:

I guess Serif thinks the users are to simple to distinguish between the flood fill and vector flood fill or the normal fill tool.
Hey, let's call it the gradient tool.

Exactly! Someone with clout at Serif thinks the users are stupid.

Years ago (before Publisher existed), I suggested the filradiant/gradill tool should be named Fill Tool in all the Affinity apps since it was already named Fill Tool in Designer and did various types of fill, not just gradients, in all apps. The response from a forum moderator (no need to name them here) was that the name Gradient Tool was chosen for Photo to prevent users becoming confused when there is also a Fill command.

Maybe that would be the same multitude of users as those who are confused by the existence of both vector Curve objects and the Curves Adjustment - in other words, nobody, in my experience.

Edited August 28, 2023 by lepr
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[carl123]

I see the Gradient Tool's primary function as being to add various types of gradient fills to objects. 

And I see the additional options of applying a Solid Fill or a Bitmap Fill as simply conveniently added options to save having to use a different tool or workflow to add those types of Fills 

Since its primary function is adding gradients, I welcome the name change 

 

Maybe if Serif just got rid of the Solid Fill and Bitmap Fill options in this tool people would be happier to call it the Gradient Tool, or maybe not?

[lepr]

7 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Maybe if Serif just got rid of the Solid Fill and Bitmap Fill options in this tool people would be happier to call it the Gradient Tool, or maybe not?

Yes, Gradient Tool would be the ideal name if it handled gradients only. I strongly doubt there is any plan to remove the other functionality, though.

[carl123]

8 minutes ago, lepr said:

I strongly doubt there is any plan to remove the other functionality, though.

Well let's hope not.

I for one welcome those additional thoughtful options added to my Gradient Tool

 

[HCl]

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[debraspicher]

2 hours ago, lepr said:

Exactly! Someone with clout at Serif thinks the users are stupid.

I mean you did say this thread caused you to seek help. Imagine how Serif must feel sometimes.


General Response: Rather than discussing about which change is the worst, maybe we can suggest a new tool name? Whoever wins gets the most Likes on their post.

My Try: Color Fill Tool?