Linux user base keep growing !

[Chills]

4 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

@Chills I was talking about the Infranet, not the Internet. I still have a bunch here in the room with me. You may call them pieces of paper, or even notebooks, operated with pens and or pencils.

WOW! Pens and pencils.....  I have heard of them in folk tales.  Do you live in a museum ? 🙂

Actually I always have a pen and notebook on me. Through I more often use a propelling pencil.
Though it is amazing me that some teens don't own a pen/pencil and  if it is not on their phones or tablets they have no idea what to do. 
We have created a monster.

 

[myclay]

14 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

I haven't seen any indication of a different build, and I have no information about how Windows handles X64 programs on ARM.

There are incremental x64 app translations as well as fully native ARM builds.
 

1. Starting as a fully emulated x64 workload
2. After recompiling the most CPU-intensive parts as Arm64EC
3. After continuing to recompile more x64 modules over time
4. Ending result of a fully native Arm64EC app

 

Apparently users can get a glimpse if the applications main executable is partial or fully using ARM64EC by looking into the Task Manager

 

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Windows Task Manager can also be used to identify if an app has been compiled as Arm64EC. In the Details tab of Task manager, the Architecture column will show ARM64 (x64 compatible) for applications whose main executable has been partially or completely compiled as Arm64EC.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/arm64ec

[fde101]

2 hours ago, myclay said:

Ending result of a fully native Arm64EC app

The Arm64EC thing is kind of interesting, but it is basically a transitional tool for developers to use to gradually provide native ARM64 ports as part of the development process, it is not how the "emulation" Windows provides work.

My comment was more that I don't think Serif is doing this at all - I don't think they are explicitly transitioning their apps to ARM for Windows (yet?) - so they are likely fully "emulated" at this point (in whatever sense Windows "emulates" x64 under ARM64 systems).

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, fde101 said:

My comment was more that I don't think Serif is doing this at all - I don't think they are explicitly transitioning their apps to ARM for Windows (yet?) - so they are likely fully "emulated" at this point (in whatever sense Windows "emulates" x64 under ARM64 systems).

I think that's probably correct, though perhaps they did some enablement work to at least allow it to run in this mode.

[spicyramentt]

At this point i am watching windows becoming a bloated ad riddled mess. Adobe isn't going to support linux. The only thing keeping me from making a full switch is ms office and affinity.

If i get affinity, I can live with libre office.

Do the thing guys.

[Chills]

1 hour ago, spicyramentt said:

At this point, i am watching LINUX is staying as a bloated mess.

 

Fixed that for you.  BTW when you say "Linux" which of the many 100's of Linux do you mean?

[Alfred]

39 minutes ago, Chills said:

Fixed that for you.

Did you have a particular reason for getting rid of the word ‘riddled’ in the process? I’m not (and never have been) a Linux user, but I suspect that you meant to turn it into something like this:

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At this point, I am watching LINUX remaining a bloated and riddled mess.

Having said that, I’ve no idea what @spicyramentt wanted to suggest Windows is riddled with.

[walt.farrell]

11 minutes ago, Alfred said:

Did you have a particular reason for getting rid of the word ‘riddled’ in the process? I’m not (and never have been) a Linux user, but I suspect that you meant to turn it into something like this:

Having said that, I’ve no idea what @spicyramentt wanted to suggest Windows is riddled with.

The other word you and Chills seen to have missed is "ad", not "and", as in "ad riddled".

[Alfred]

1 minute ago, walt.farrell said:

The other word you and Chills seen to have missed is "ad", not "and", as in "ad riddled".

No, I didn’t miss it, I just felt it wasn’t essential to the point I was trying to make.

[Chills]

Windows is large and has many features lots of people don't want. The same as OSX (even more so).   There are a lot of systems in both OS that communicate to the outside world. A lot of these features are much beloved by users, and many are things 99% of users are unaware of.

Linux devotees have the idea that Linux, one of the many 100s of different distributions, is somehow better. It isn't the code bas is a lot worse in quality. Both Linus has said this, and I have seen the results of analysis tools on Linux, the Kernel, never mid the rest of it.   A Linux distribution is a random collection of usually untested code.  Also, the users have no idea what Linux is doing.  Nor the very many different licences in a Linux distribution, even before you add applications to it.  No, its not all GPL (which versions?)

That Linux is "Open Source" is irrelevant because the vast majority of users don't look at, much less understand, and even fewer test the code. They just use it the same as the Windows and OSX/IOS users. The difference is, you have no legal protections of any sort when using Linux.

 

[walt.farrell]

33 minutes ago, Alfred said:

No, I didn’t miss it, I just felt it wasn’t essential to the point I was trying to make.

But you said: 

50 minutes ago, Alfred said:

Having said that, I’ve no idea what @spicyramentt wanted to suggest Windows is riddled with.

Answer: Ads (advertisements). So it was essential

[Alfred]

27 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Ads (advertisements)

Thanks, Walt, I missed that! As you obviously realized, I read it as “bloated [and] riddled mess” instead of “bloated, ad-riddled mess”.

[Chills]

I don't have any adverts in any of my Windows 7, 10 or 11.

[Alfred]

1 minute ago, Chills said:

I don't have any adverts in any of my Windows 7, 10 or 11.

I’ve never used Windows 11 and I haven’t used Windows 7 in many years, but I can’t say I’ve noticed any adverts in Windows 10 Home or Pro.

[Chills]

12 minutes ago, Alfred said:

I’ve never used Windows 11 and I haven’t used Windows 7 in many years, but I can’t say I’ve noticed any adverts in Windows 10 Home or Pro.

It's an aligation often slung around by Linux Devotees without any evidence bar the odd outlier.   When consumers buy a PC from one or two well known chains that sell everything from TVs to fridges to PC's, they put on demo and evaluation software that says use/buy me.    Some users do and most don't they just uninstall it.  You do't get it from most suppliers, and never AFAIK for business users.

OTOH with Linux's you have no idea what you are getting. Anyone could have built it and added anything into the system or even modified the source code. No one ever checks  (OK a very few do and I have seen the results of that.)

 

[Dan C]

11 minutes ago, Chills said:

I don't have any adverts in any of my Windows 7, 10 or 11.

I believe it may be locale/market dependant, but in regards to Windows 11 for example:

Microsoft Pushes Start Menu Ads to All Windows 11 Users

The new Windows 11 update now places massive ads across the top half of my 14in screen, making work difficult to say the least. How do I remove or reduce these ads?

There is an ongoing pushback I've seen online for this type of change Microsoft are implementing within Windows 11 (alongside 'AI' features), causing users to begin seeking alternative OS's.
For example Windows 10 market share actually grew recently whilst Windows 11 decreased, with many citing these decisions as reasons -

Windows 11 market share declines as users seemingly shift back to Windows 10

Therefore it's very plausible some of these users may look to move to Linux based OS's, if not macOS or older versions of Windows - ie from the above Microsoft Answers link;

FWIW, I am a Windows 10 user and have been since the OS was released (9 years ago!).

[Chills]

10 minutes ago, Dan C said:

Therefore it's very plausible some of these users may look to move to Linux based OS's, if not macOS or older versions of Windows - ie from the above Microsoft Answers link;

No logic to suggest they would move to Linux. Mac maybe, but it is as bad as Windows in its own way

I am running Windows  xp and 7 (occasionally)  with 10 and 11 normally. (as well as OSX and Linux) I find that it is fairly easy to uninstall the demo SW  not that I get much installed.
 

Linux isn't the answer it has claimed to be every year for the last 30 years. It has always been "going to be"  the next big thing, and its desktop used base is still 2 to 4 % of the market.   

[walt.farrell]

2 minutes ago, Chills said:

No logic to suggest they would move to Linux. Mac maybe,

But they can move to Linux without needing to replace their PC, which makes it easier than moving to a Mac.

[Chills]

4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

But they can move to Linux without needing to replace their PC, which makes it easier than moving to a Mac.

It makes it a LOT more difficult than moving to a Mac.

[spicyramentt]

I really don't know what to do with Chills. I really don't.

[Alfred]

1 minute ago, spicyramentt said:

I really don't know what to do with Chills. I really don't.

Chill, perhaps?

 

[Chills]

7 minutes ago, spicyramentt said:

I really don't know what to do with Chills. I really don't.

Sorry with 4 decades of critical systems' development I do understand RTOS, OS and Hypervisors Linux isn't the silver bullet most Linux devotees think it is.

But you are perfectly free to explain how it is easier to convert an in use PC from Windows to Linux rather than getting a Mac.

[anto]

I've been using Linux since 2006, when everything was very difficult and there were problems with drivers. Today I have tried many Linux distributions - Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Manjaro and many others. I used to prefer Ubuntu, but after they switched to Gnome 3 by default, I changed to Linux Mint. Even on old machines, Mint works great.  
I also worked on Windows - from 95 to windows 10. Now I use Windows 10 only because I need Affinity programs, and Affinity version 2 don't work on windows 7.
I also worked on Macs of different versions.
If I compare all three systems, Linux is the most flexible. You can turn it into both Windows and Mac, which is what you are used to.
You can keep only the programs you want. There is no unnecessary advertising. Only what you like.

[spicyramentt]

Just now, Chills said:

Sorry with 4 decades of critical systems' development I do understand RTOS, OS and Hypervisors Linux isn't the silver bullet most Linux devotees think it is.

But you are perfectly free to explain how it is easier to convert an in use PC from Windows to Linux rather than getting a Mac.

I backup the system.

Boot into my Ubuntu LTSC usb stick, then i install it.

Its pretty straightforward. Then i do what i would on any windows / mac machine.

I run the updates.

Install my software.

Then i do my work.

As a bonus, I take the time to pop off my sidepanel, do a little dusting and cleaning up while I'm at it.

Not super difficult.

I only have about 20 years messing with computers but for me this is pretty reasonable. I am no programmer. I am a technician and user. And as a user, linux has become quite useable and has caught up to windows and mac in terms of usability and features in the decade we were stuck on Windows 10.

So far I've looked through your posts and all i see is, "Linux is a bad idea". That's all well and good. But for a long time installing desktop Linux was a terrible thing and no one could recommend it. Then canonical came along, and suddenly, installing Linux was as easy as installing windows.

It takes one entity to start something. Ubuntu with its gui installer, made desktop linux accessible to the average windows user.

Imagine what would happen if Affinity was the first major software suite to put their weight behind a Linux distro?

Valve has built a distro that can run Windows Video Games. I'm sure with the right motivation, it might run more than just video games.

Android, a Linux based OS with daddy morebucks (Google) financing development has become the OS of practically everything (except Chromebooks weirdly, but is still running a flavour of Linux underneath), TVs, Tablets, Watches.

At the end of this whole thing, I came on this to voice my support for any effort to be made to get Affinity on Linux. Not to be lectured about why its a bad idea. Nor do I think anyone else here did.

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On a side note:

Given how modern mac's are set up, how much they cost and that nothing is user upgradeable or maintainable, I really don't have any interest in spending money on them. Then needing to find apps to do basic OS level features that you get built into windows and linux distros, not a great experience. i.e. An app like rectangles for window management. An app to show when i have a network cable plugged in instead of a WiFi connection. I wish i could find an app to put the power button and a USB port on the front of the computer, but that might be a bit difficult. /h

At any rate I am going to unfollow this topic, because it is seemingly pointless.

Have a lovely day.

[Chills]

I do agree about the direction of travel; with the latest MACs.
There are some major software suites on Linux. Resolve the professional video SW but it is for only one distro.
It is also a VERY small number of users.
 
You were going to explain how to convert from Windows to Linux on the same PC.