Chris26 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I am continuously being presented with the usual 'wittgenstein' propersitions (as Basil Faulty once said), and the screen shot is below. Now after 15 years dealing with pixel based, raster files, I am finding that I have to ask the most basicof all questions: What on earth is this?????? My image is raster, I am n A.Photo a raster based programme, I have only cut out my nice piece of pure Titanium (you should see it bang against another piece of titanium), anyway I digress, I KNOW this is raster, so why keep asking the obvious, and why keep asking even AFTER I have saved the same file 10 times. Where are those mysterious alien Non Pixel creepy crawlies hiding? In those little caverns in my titanium perhaps? Come out come out wherever you are......... jmwellborn 1 Quote Microsoft - Like entering your home and opening the stainless steel kitchen door, with a Popup: 'Do you really want to open this door'? Then looking for the dishwasher and finding it stored in the living room where you have to download a water supply from the app store, then you have to buy microsoft compliant soap, remove the carpet only to be told that it is glued to the floor.. Don't forget to make multiple copies of your front door key and post them to all who demand access to all the doors inside your home including the windows and outside shed. Apple - Like entering your home and opening the oak framed Kitchen door and finding the dishwasher right in front you ready to be switched on, soap supplied, and water that comes through a water softener. Ah the front door key is yours and it only needs to open the front door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 What do you see in the Layers panel? Chris26 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: What do you see in the Layers panel? The Layers panel could contain anything other than a single Pixel object. It could contain two Pixel objects. The message is poorly worded. Chris26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Save as *.afphoto file, or other image format, which does not support any non-image information? Chris26 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, anon2 said: The Layers panel could contain anything other than a single Pixel object. It could contain two Pixel objects. The message is poorly worded. Yes, but if Chris tells us what his document shows, we can say something definite about why the message came out. Chris26 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Yes, but if Chris tells us what his document shows, we can say something definite about why the message came out. Like I said, if the Layers panel contains anything other than one Pixel object then the message will appear. It doesn't matter what these other things in the Layers panel happen to be. Edit: and as @smadell explains below, there might only be a Pixel object in the Layers panel. Edited December 13, 2020 by anon2 Chris26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smadell Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I'm going to bet that the original photo (the piece of titanium) from which the non-titanium elements were cut out was a JPG image. Once the titanium is cut out, the surrounding pixels were erased, and that leaves empty space (note the checkerboard which surrounds the titanium). Choosing "Save" asks Affinity Photo to save the image, but the JPG format does not support transparency. Saving back to a JPG will mean inserting white pixels where transparency had been, and the dialog seems like a way to ask "is that really what you want"? I suggest this because opening a PNG image, erasing a portion of the pixels, and then choosing Save will accomplish the save operation without the intervening dialog. This (I believe) is because PNG supports transparency. firstdefence and Chris26 1 1 Quote Affinity Photo 2, Affinity Publisher 2, Affinity Designer 2 (latest retail versions) - desktop & iPad Culling - FastRawViewer; Raw Developer - Capture One Pro; Asset Management - Photo Supreme Mac Studio with M2 Max (2023); 64 GB RAM; macOS 13 (Ventura); Mac Studio Display - iPad Air 4th Gen; iPadOS 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Chris26 said: I am continuously being presented with the usual 'wittgenstein' propersitions (as Basil Faulty once said), and the screen shot is below. Now after 15 years dealing with pixel based, raster files, I am finding that I have to ask the most basicof all questions: What on earth is this?????? My image is raster, I am n A.Photo a raster based programme, I have only cut out my nice piece of pure Titanium (you should see it bang against another piece of titanium), anyway I digress, I KNOW this is raster, so why keep asking the obvious, and why keep asking even AFTER I have saved the same file 10 times. Where are those mysterious alien Non Pixel creepy crawlies hiding? In those little caverns in my titanium perhaps? Come out come out wherever you are......... When you open an Affinity Document file or create a new document, the Save command can save to an Affinity Document file only. When you open an image file (such as JPEG, PNG or TIFF), the Save command can save to either the image file that was opened or to an Affinity Document file. If there is only a Pixel object in the document when you try to save, the save will proceed without interruption, otherwise you will be presented with the dialog shown in your screenshot so you can choose to save a flattened image to the opened image file or save an unflattened Affinity document. Edit: and what @smadell wrote in the preceding message Chris26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, smadell said: I'm going to bet that the original photo (the piece of titanium) from which the non-titanium elements were cut out was a JPG image. Once the titanium is cut out, the surrounding pixels were erased, and that leaves empty space (note the checkerboard which surrounds the titanium). Choosing "Save" asks Affinity Photo to save the image, but the JPG format does not support transparency. Saving back to a JPG will mean inserting white pixels where transparency had been, and the dialog seems like a way to ask "is that really what you want"? I suggest this because opening a PNG image, erasing a portion of the pixels, and then choosing Save will accomplish the save operation without the intervening dialog. This (I believe) is because PNG supports transparency. That's a good point and probably the OP's situation. The poorly worded "non-pixels" message really does need to be reworded appropriately for each situation that requires user intervention. I wonder what @Jowday has to say about this Chris26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, anon2 said: That's a good point and probably the OP's situation. The poorly worded "non-pixels" message really does need to be reworded appropriately for each situation that requires user intervention. I wonder what @Jowday has to say about this I will pass the mic to the educated, dedicated full time user experience designer working for Serif Software: ... ... ... Chris26, Move Along People, jmwellborn and 2 others 3 2 Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris26 Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Good Morning Everyone, How ya diddling, and many thanks for the comments, which I am ashamed to say are far maturer and more intelligently written than the manner in which I worded the late evening rant. (Although Jowday is in a category as yet uncategorized). The Metal was photographed as a Jpeg. Immediately loaded into A.photo, and cut out and plonked onto its own layer and a few extra pixels erased via the eraser brush and then Saved. Now madell's well targeted guess is spot on. The transparency space is non-pxel. However as a passing observation I have wondered why, when you go to export as JPEG, not PNG, but JPEG and you have a selection youreally should not have a dialogue box that gives you an option to save without background, rather it should be grayed out, just a passing comment. Anyway, Non-pixels, Mmm....how about just using that old-fashioned word Transparent areas. It threw me, and it was late, and I was brain drained. Quote Microsoft - Like entering your home and opening the stainless steel kitchen door, with a Popup: 'Do you really want to open this door'? Then looking for the dishwasher and finding it stored in the living room where you have to download a water supply from the app store, then you have to buy microsoft compliant soap, remove the carpet only to be told that it is glued to the floor.. Don't forget to make multiple copies of your front door key and post them to all who demand access to all the doors inside your home including the windows and outside shed. Apple - Like entering your home and opening the oak framed Kitchen door and finding the dishwasher right in front you ready to be switched on, soap supplied, and water that comes through a water softener. Ah the front door key is yours and it only needs to open the front door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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